German pre war Scout buckles

[David North]

Is this a DJ buckle ?

Actually, I think not and perhaps, one in a series of the similar and distinct style which displays "right wing" quasi runic emblems.

Any thoughts or ideas ?

Regards,

David

[David North]

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[lach470]

Hi David....I agree with you...I don't think it's a DJ buckle. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a buckle like this before...Looks interesting enough but unknown to me.
Good luck!

Rob

[David North]

Rob

I have another one of these strange buckles, which I have always catalogued as "Scharnhorstbund", although I am now unsure about this slightly lazy description also.

Regards,

David

[David North]

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[Wickie]

Hi David,

the first buckle is not from the DJ. It is -as far as I know- the official "Bundeskoppelschloss" of the D.P.B. (Deutscher Pfadfinder Bund, German Scout Association). There must be another variant of this buckle in one piece and chromed. I've never seen that one, but it is mentioned in a contemporary catalog for scout equipment.

No idea for the other one, I'm afraid this buckle is not for an a concrete organisation.

Christian

[Wickie]

closeup...

[G.J.B]

Christian... You must have a large photo collection... You always seem to come up with photos that are as rare as the buckles ... Great picture.

Gary

[David North]

Christian

Many thanks and I echo Gary's comments in connection with the splendid photograph that you have so kindly shown.

I am though a little surprised about your suggestion toward the identification of the first shown buckle. A youth association yes, however surely the Sig Rune would never have been adopted by essentially a benign and Christian based organisation ?

I still think that there is some extreme and right wing youth connection here.

Regards,

David

[Wickie]

Thanks for your kind words

Yes, I had a lucky hand in the last months. But I still miss a lot of buckles "in wear", particular from the 20's (youth and religios organisation).

The identification as "D.P.B." is not my idea, I found it in an old catalog. Probably from the early 30's or the late 20's. It is just a small drawing of this buckle, but I'm absolute sure they mean exactly this buckle. Unfortunetly the catalog isn't mine, so I can't post pics.

The "S" rune was a normal symbol for scout/youth organisations in the 20's. Here is a page from Steinhauer & L******252;ck showing badges for scouts.

Christian

[Wickie]

In additional, the youth organisations in the Weimar Republic used some symbols which were later used by the Nazis.

Here is for example a young boy with a "Wolfsangel" buckle.

[lach470]

WOW....those are cool pics for sure!!! Thanks for showing those....they can't be that easy to find!!

Rob

[Ranieri]

Thanks for your kind words

Yes, I had a lucky hand in the last months. But I still miss a lot of buckles "in wear", particular from the 20's (youth and religios organisation).

The identification as "D.P.B." is not my idea, I found it in an old catalog. Probably from the early 30's or the late 20's. It is just a small drawing of this buckle, but I'm absolute sure they mean exactly this buckle. Unfortunetly the catalog isn't mine, so I can't post pics.

The "S" rune was a normal symbol for scout/youth organisations in the 20's. Here is a page from Steinhauer & Lück showing badges for scouts.

Christian

Christian, hallo from Rome! I am a scout belt buckles collector. I confirm that DPB stands for Deutsche Pfadfinder Bund. Your table is interesting: do y ou have more information and/or the other half of the page?
Ranieri

[Wickie]

Hello Ranieri and welcome to the forum!

Yes, I do have the complete page, but the top part isn't scout related.

If you're interested in scout badges, I do have maybe other catalogs from Steinhauer & L******252;ck and other makers.

Do you have many scout belt buckles? What is your main interest, the 20's or buckles until today?

Best Regards
Christian

[David North]

Christian

A super extract from the S u L catalogue.

I do not wish to appear more dim than what I normally am, however I really need your help and advice somewhat in relation to the "Pfadfinderbund" or the "Pfadfinderschaft".

Was this in the 1920's and 1930's (not post war), a "collective" term, rather than relating to a quite specific organisation.

A loose term for any youth organisation perhaps ?

Why does the S u L catalogue extract and under the (all embracing ?) banner of Pfadfinder include emblems which should not in theory be comfortable bed fellows. We have right wing, left wing and religious organisations, as well as the traditional "Boy Scouts", all grouped together !

Regards,

David