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    Reichsbund Deutsche Wachtdienste

    Not the most exciting or popular of buckles.

    The most common of the RB-D-Wachtdienste and here, by C Th. Dicke, although several variations to the basic design.

    The early logo of C. TH. within an elongated D.

    Although not a certain feature, the possibility that this buckle was produced post 1945. A few "mint" examples in circulation and for sale, although devoid of any markings.

    Regards,

    David
    Last edited by David North; 09-10-2006, 09:36 AM.
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        David,

        I've never seen this buckle or heard of this organization.What were their duties?Is there any mention of this organization in reference books?
        Thanks,
        Ray

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          Raymond

          Like yourself, I have no clue whatsoever.

          What do they say :-

          If one knows what is going on - then one is clearly misinformed !!

          A strange buckle for the "Night Watchman" of the Reich as a Guild, although I am not sure as to whether it should be Wachtdienste, Wachdienste or Wachgesellschaft.

          The buckle by the way, appears in both Angolia and Reid.

          Regards,

          David

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            Raymond

            I made an attempt to extract some information about this organisation and actually, found precious little.

            It would appear that the correct spelling is Wach rather than Wacht, although alternatively referred to as :-
            • Deutsche(s) Wachdienst(e)
            • Wachgesellschaft
            • Reichsbund Deutsche Wachdienst
            • Reichssicherheitsverband des Deutschen Bewachungsgewerbes
            Perhaps one of the German speaking Forum members could check the spelling.

            These chaps appeared "Guild" associated and attached is a grim quality image of a button, displaying the same emblem as the buckle and similar to the buckle, made by Ch. Th. Dicke.

            Regards,

            David

            Last edited by David North; 09-10-2006, 09:35 AM.

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              I forgot to mention that there is a suggestion that this buckle was manufactured by Assmann also.

              Regards,

              David

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                Hi all,

                Just wanted to add that I have a clearly pre-war photo showing the buckle in wear. My new phone connection should be up and running by early next week (I hope) and I'll post it asap.

                It should be possible to find more info on this guild-type "roof organisation", in the sense of a trade association for private companies providing security services, guarding premises and the like). Angolia also shows one with the designation as a legend in the pebbled areas around the roundel, and I think the reverse impression of the eagle over high-rise motif is very clear on that one. I always fancied this one much more and it is quite possible that the buckle shown belongs to the post-war period. By the way, there are buckles with a crossed keys motiv (on its own or on a wreath), and these would also belong to the security trade. As soon as technically empowered, I'll also post one of those. In the meantime, it would be nice for other members to post their buckles.

                Best regards, Karl

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                  Karl

                  Thankyou for the additional information and certainly, any images of these buckles in wear, together with other designs for the Guild, would be most welcome.

                  I just thought that I would add something (leading with my chin here) in connection with the theory of pre 1945 and post 1945 manufacturing. These buckles seem to command a reasonably high price and of course, a potentially costly mistake for any of us.

                  This is however my instinct and to be perfectly honest, I have nothing really substantial to fully support it. There would appear to be basically two types of buckles in circulation, toward the one that I posted. One with an almost anodised antique type gold type finish (with logo) and one with a gold paint on steel finish (devoid of logo). I am sure that the one without the logo is post 1945 and I am actually unaware of Dicke using the C TH in a D logo, for any of their post war buckles. The feature of a clear or indistinct reverse image, is I think and with all due respect, of no consequence.

                  Notice the "leaning" catch on the buckle that I posted, now so well known on early HJ buckles.

                  Just a theory Karl, although I hope that this thread may develop.

                  Regards,

                  David

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                    Hello All,
                    The above-posted buckle is a good wartime example. No problem with that. I will post a few of the 5 different variations of these buckles that I have in my collection. (Not including the post war one)
                    First, the one with text. This is the hardest to find one, personally I know only of two of them, Mine and the one in Angolia’s collection.
                    Marc
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                      marking on the above.
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                        This one is my favorite, nice crank catch, do wartime // postwartime discution posible. Notice the marking is of a diferend style
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                          I love this one too, unmarked two part buckle. I know of another one like this in a belgian colection who has a bi-metal inset.
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                            back of the above, no markings.
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                              There exist another variation of this design, the rectangle in the middle, (containing the city and eagle) has on all the above pictured buckles cut angles,…. well there exist one buckle
                              (I do not own it unfortunately) who has straight corners. I post hereby two cap badges of this organisation where on one of them one can see the design I mean.
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