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**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 06-14-2005, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Marc verstraete

Yes, I aledy answerd this question in another tread a few months ago. I own a nikel EM SS buckle marked Ges Gesch and RZM.
Marc

MV,
In the previous thread you were reffering to a buckle marked: "OLC ges. gesch. RZM". So, exactly, which one do you own? Marked "OLC ges. gesch. RZM" or "Ges Gesch and RZM"?

Chris,
Marked "Ges. gesch." only and first G in capital letter is well known.
Marked "GES. GESCH." only and all in capital letters has been reported but I cannot confirm since I did not saw it myself.
Marked "O&C ges.gesch." + RZM logo is well known.
Marked "Ges.gesch." + RZM logo never heard any.

**SScollector** · 06-14-2005, 08:07 AM

Thanks guys!

Does either of you know, or have an idea as to who
the manufacture of the "Ges.gesch." marked nickel buckle was?
Also, are there any pics on any of the forums or websites of this buckle?

Thanks! Chris

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 06-14-2005, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by SScollector

Thanks guys!

Does either of you know, or have an idea as to who
the manufacture of the "Ges.gesch." marked nickel buckle was?
Also, are there any pics on any of the forums or websites of this buckle?

Thanks! Chris

I do but this is a question I will allow myself to not answer today since I am still working on the subject. Regarding its photos, they are indeed posted in my own Forum (Yahoo SS Buckles) and the GDC since 4 years.
None is in this forum. Maybe the Moderator will be kind and share with others the one he has ...

**SScollector** · 06-14-2005, 03:09 PM

Thanks JP!

I hope you will eventually share your thoughts with us.
Can you tell us your opinion as to when
you think these buckles were made,
(before, during or after the early Overhoff, RZM 63 and RZM 57, etc.,
nickel buckles)?

One more thing: How many different original variations of
SS EM buckles made by unknown manufactures do you know of,
(both, nickel and steel variations)?

Thanks! Chris

**Marc verstraete** · 06-15-2005, 03:58 AM

Indeed, my mistake. My buckle is a O&C ges gesch with RZM stamp. Probably made in 33 and rzm stamped to folow new regulations in 34

I post hereby the picture of my rotating swas. buckle. These buckles where made over a time period of at least 6/7years as they exist in nikel and aluminium.
Close to nothing is known about these buckles. The only record I have seen of this buckle is a 1932 publication on SA and SS equipements. So at one point, somehow they must have been at least "semi" official.
Marc

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**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 06-15-2005, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh

only one is totally different than the displayed example: Your (of course if you are reffering as "your" the one you sent me photos in the past). Just suffice to notice "your" does not have any rope behind the eagle's head. It's eagle design is also totally different from the above example. Similar, yes, but not at all the same.

Originally posted by Marc verstraete

I post hereby the picture of my rotating swas. buckle. These buckles where made over a time period of at least 6/7years as they exist in nikel and aluminium. Marc

MV,
Considering the two above quotes (which are indeed confirming we are facing two very different buckles), which one continued to be produced in aluminum? I have to rely on your input since I did not see any myself (except for the so called SS prototypes). Is it the exact same model as the former David Delich's buckle (sold by Manion's and pictured first in the thread), the model you own and are so far the only owner of such (photo just above this reply), or yet the model so called "prototype SS" (with 1936 type SS eagle)? All three models are bearing a rotated swastika.
Thank You per advance for your input.

**David North** · 06-15-2005, 03:27 PM

Marc

Thankyou for posting an image of your quite stunning "mobile" swastika SS.

The metal of the buckle though is quite puzzling (to me anyway), as I was expecting to see nickle silver. Do I detect a "Tombak" or similar heavily copper based metal by the exposed highlights, or is this slightly oxidised steel ?

A super buckle.

Regards,

David

**SScollector** · 06-17-2005, 03:58 PM

JP, none of the pictures on your website work.

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 06-17-2005, 05:54 PM

As usual everything works. You just need to read and follow the instructions in the folder "How to ...". Many do not follow those easy steps.

Anyway, this is not the right Forum to make comments about another forum, even if it is mine. You should do it within the forum you have problem with (so my forum) if you want to have immediate assistance.

**SScollector** · 06-18-2005, 11:02 PM

How many different original variations of
SS EM buckles made by unknown manufactures do you know of,
(both, nickel and steel variations)?

Thanks! Chris

**Marc verstraete** · 06-20-2005, 03:27 AM

David, You are right, the buckle is plated nickel over copper / brass. Not uncommon for the early buckles. This can be seen on many HJ buckles.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o

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**SScollector** · 06-20-2005, 05:00 AM

Thank you very much, Marc!

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