HELP with a information about Panther

[Marco]

Hello to all friends:
I need an information: how many time the turret of a Panther to make a full rotation of 360 degrees? And if possible, the source of this technical information.
And again: is there a comparison chart on Internet about speed (in time) for a full turret rotation of the main battle tanks of World War II?
Thanks in advance
Marco

[Napalm]

Panther was 60 seconds for 360 traverse as far as I can remember sorry but I dont know of any charts...

[r_hufschmied]

Copy paste from Wiki:

The first Panthers (Ausf D) had a hydraulic motor that could traverse the turret at a maximum rate of one complete revolution in one minute, independent of engine speed. This slow speed was improved in the Ausf A model with a hydraulic traverse that varied with engine speed; one full turn taking 46 seconds at an engine speed of 1,000 rpm but only 15 seconds if the engine was running at 3,000 rpm.[64] This arrangement was a slight weakness, as traversing the Panther's turret rapidly onto a target required close coordination between the gunner and driver who had to run the engine to maximum speed. By comparison, the turret of the M4 Sherman turret traversed at up to 360 degrees in 15 seconds and was independent of engine speed, which gave it an advantage over the Panther in close-quarters combat.[65] As usual for tanks of the period, a hand traverse wheel was provided for the Panther gunner to make fine adjustment of his aim.[64]

[Marco]

Many Many thanks r_hufschmied and napalm

[Napalm]

PS, I seem to remember that Panther Crews were told to keep the revs around 1300 at all times for maximun performance...Hope this helps...

[Wim D]

Hello to all friends:
I need an information: how many time the turret of a Panther to make a full rotation of 360 degrees? And if possible, the source of this technical information.
And again: is there a comparison chart on Internet about speed (in time) for a full turret rotation of the main battle tanks of World War II?
Thanks in advance
Marco

Hello,

I see this question asked on forums frequently.
Why would you rotate a turret 360 degrees???

Regards,
Wim.

[babyteeth]

I believe that 360 is just the standard used to determine turret rotation speed. It’s an easier figure to work with and compare rather than 1 degree in X seconds or 26 degrees in 1 second.
If you know the time for a full rotation then working out 160, 90 or 45 is much easier.

I think that is the case anyway.

[babyteeth]

I just found this posted on another forum. Its source is not quoted and I don’t know how accurate it is.


Vehicle Fastest traverse time (seconds) 360º Control Quality (and
using power type) (H) = hydraulic mechanism, (E) = electric motor.

Panther A: 18 @< 2500 max engine rpm (max from 11/44)** Poor (H)
Panther A: 15 @> 2500 engine rpm (forbidden 11/44 >)** Poor (H)
Panther D: 60 Poor (H)
Panther G: 18 left / 17 right Poor (H)
Tiger I: 60 Poor (H)
Tiger II: <10 @3000 engine rpm** Poor (H)
Tiger II: 19 left / 18 right @ 2000 engine rpm Poor (H)
PzKfw IV: 25.07 Poor (E)

Crusader: 10 Good (H)
Valentine 2-pdr: 10 left / 12 right Poor (E)
AEC I 10: left / 12 right Poor (E)
AEC II and III: 11 Poor (E)
Challenger: 12 @ 2700 engine rpm Good (E)
Valentine 6-pdr: 16.9 Poor (E)
Matilda II: 14 Good (H)
Comet: 24 Good (E)
Cromwell: 14-15 Good (H)
A9 15: Good (H)
A10 15: Good (H)
Churchill: 15 Good (E)
Sherman: 15 Oilgear type Good (H)
Sherman: 15 Loganport type Poor (H)
Sherman: 15 Westinghouse type Poor (E)
M 18 TD: 15 Oilgear Good (H)
M 36 TD: 15 Oilgear Good (H)
M 24 Chaffee: 15 Oilgear Good (H)
Stuart M5A1: 14.4 left / 14 right Poor (H)
Stuart M3A3: 15.4 left / 15.92 right Poor (H)
Lee / Grant: 20 Poor (H)
Ram: 20 Poor (E)
T 26 / M 26: 15 Good (H)

T-34/76: 13.8 left / 13.6 right* Poor (E)
T-34/85: 21.1 Poor (E)
KV 1: 60-70 Poor (E)

S35 Somua: 36 Poor (E)
Char B bis: 36 Poor (E)
Char D2: 36 Poor (E)

[Napalm]

Thks Babyteeth, thats why Panther crews were instructed to use 1300 if possible...Btw, anybody know a panther driver? Maybe we could ask him?

[Marco]

Many many thanks to all friends for really interesting informations!
Marco

[Panzer Rob]

I just found this posted on another forum. Its source is not quoted and I don’t know how accurate it is.


Vehicle Fastest traverse time (seconds) 360º Control Quality (and
using power type) (H) = hydraulic mechanism, (E) = electric motor.

Panther A: 18 @< 2500 max engine rpm (max from 11/44)** Poor (H)
Panther A: 15 @> 2500 engine rpm (forbidden 11/44 >)** Poor (H)
Panther D: 60 Poor (H)
Panther G: 18 left / 17 right Poor (H)
Tiger I: 60 Poor (H)
Tiger II: <10 @3000 engine rpm** Poor (H)
Tiger II: 19 left / 18 right @ 2000 engine rpm Poor (H)
PzKfw IV: 25.07 Poor (E)

Crusader: 10 Good (H)
Valentine 2-pdr: 10 left / 12 right Poor (E)
AEC I 10: left / 12 right Poor (E)
AEC II and III: 11 Poor (E)
Challenger: 12 @ 2700 engine rpm Good (E)
Valentine 6-pdr: 16.9 Poor (E)
Matilda II: 14 Good (H)
Comet: 24 Good (E)
Cromwell: 14-15 Good (H)
A9 15: Good (H)
A10 15: Good (H)
Churchill: 15 Good (E)
Sherman: 15 Oilgear type Good (H)
Sherman: 15 Loganport type Poor (H)
Sherman: 15 Westinghouse type Poor (E)
M 18 TD: 15 Oilgear Good (H)
M 36 TD: 15 Oilgear Good (H)
M 24 Chaffee: 15 Oilgear Good (H)
Stuart M5A1: 14.4 left / 14 right Poor (H)
Stuart M3A3: 15.4 left / 15.92 right Poor (H)
Lee / Grant: 20 Poor (H)
Ram: 20 Poor (E)
T 26 / M 26: 15 Good (H)

T-34/76: 13.8 left / 13.6 right* Poor (E)
T-34/85: 21.1 Poor (E)
KV 1: 60-70 Poor (E)

S35 Somua: 36 Poor (E)
Char B bis: 36 Poor (E)
Char D2: 36 Poor (E)

Interesting info..... Thanks for posting it.

Rob