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    Aberdeen is Closing

    The base is being closed but it sounds like they are moving the museum to Fort Lee, VA. They also talk a about the fact they really haven't taken care of the tanks sitting out in the open that well. This could get real interesting trying to move those vehicles.

    By the way, didn't know the Russians had T-55's at Stalingrad??

    Enjoy,
    Jack

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    A Collection of Things That Go 'Boom!'



    By MARK YOST
    The Wall Street Journal
    May 25, 2006; Page D8
    Aberdeen, Md.
    When the Base Realignment and Closure Commission announces that your military base has to close, it's usually greeted as bad news. Jobs will be lost, families uprooted; the environmental cleanup costs can be enormous. But in the case of the Aberdeen Proving Ground, home to the U.S. Army Ordnance Museum (www.ordmusfound.org), it's a blessing in disguise.
    Opened in 1925, the museum was initially supplied with weapons from around the world that were tested at the proving ground. Once established, the museum was able to build an impressive collection of U.S., allied and enemy weapons.
    Some of the many tanks the museum has on display.
    Its shortcoming is that the museum is squeezed into an undersized building on a post more often associated with developing new weapons than preserving old ones. As a result, museum curator Jack Atwater, who has a doctorate in history from Duke and has been here for 17 years, can display only 5% of the collection he oversees. That's a shame, because he has much to show the museum's visitors, who number about 35,000 a year.
    Even if you've never been to the base, the museum is easy to find. It's the small building in the middle of a field surrounded by about three dozen tanks, cannons and artillery pieces. Such as the 500-ton coastal defense gun. It and other 100-ton objects will be a logistical nightmare to move. They are too heavy for the interstate, so Mr. Atwater will either move them by rail or float them by barge to the proposed new museum site at Fort Lee outside Petersburg, Va. There's also the 280mm "Atomic Cannon," a Cold War weapon that was designed to fire tactical (that means close-range) nuclear warheads at the Soviets as they theoretically advanced from Eastern Europe into Germany.
    In the tank department, which makes up the bulk of the large items on display, there's the 30-ton 1917 Mark IV, one of the first tanks ever made (and one of only three left in the world). The World War I British tank had a top speed of 3.75 miles an hour and traveled two miles on a gallon of gas. There's also a World War II-vintage Sherman tank. As the placard notes: "The M4 was the principal U.S. combat tank in all combat zones for most of WW II. Though undergunned (75mm) and under armored compared to German tanks, the Shermans prevailed by their numerical superiority (estimated 50,000)."
    The Atomic Cannon, a Cold War weapon that was designed to protect Germany from a Soviet invasion.
    While this collection is mostly made up of U.S. weapons, many of our former enemies are well represented. There's a 1943 German Panzerkampfwagen V Panther, "considered the best of the German WW II tanks," the museum tells us. "It had superior firepower and mobility over allied tanks of the same period."
    The fact that many of these pieces have been sitting in a field for decades presents a problem.
    "No one's ever thought to do regular maintenance on them," Mr. Atwater said during a recent tour. "Most of these pieces, many of them the only ones of their kind left in the world, are literally rotting where they sit."
    So Mr. Atwater has set up a workshop nearby where many of the tanks and other large pieces -- he has 240 of them -- are going through an extensive rehabilitation process. He also uses the shop to refabricate new additions to the museum that come to him in less than pristine condition.
    Recently, a Russian T-55 tank was sitting outside the shop, ready to go back on display. Typical of the problems Mr. Atwater must remedy, it had layers and layers of lead-based paint. Mr. Atwater's armor artisans pull these mechanized monsters into a special booth and blast them with water pressurized to 43,000 pounds per square inch. That removes the paint (and could remove your leg, Mr. Atwater says with a chuckle), exposing bare metal. It is then flash-dried and repainted in historically accurate colors and paint schemes. Mr. Atwater's crew also has to remove the radium-coated dials and drain the oil, which often contains polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, a family of 209 chemical compounds that were used in industry until they were found to be highly toxic.
    "My watch emits more radiation, but the environmental weenies tell me they're a hazard," the former Marine says of the glow-in-the-dark dials.
    The T-55 looks like it just came off the production line, ready to hold off the Germans at Stalingrad. It's in marked contrast to a World War II British Vickers reconnaissance vehicle that just came to the shop. The floorboards are rotted out; there's a big hole in the front that exposes the cockpit. When Mr. Atwater's men are done, it'll look as good as new.
    Our next stop is one of three large storage warehouses. This is where Mr. Atwater keeps the pieces that have been rehabbed but he doesn't have room to display. The collection is impressive and includes Pershing's staff car from World War I, as well as a VW-made Nazi SS staff car used in North Africa in World War II. It has a propeller on the back that's flipped up. Mr. Atwater flips it down and shows how it can engage a power takeoff drive -- like on modern-day tractors -- that drives the propeller so that the car can go through shallow rivers.
    "The SS got the cool stuff," he says.
    Also stored here are row upon row of inert hand grenades, fuses and shells. Some of the material is educational, such as a cut-away of a World War II German "potato masher" grenade that shows how it was constructed and used.
    "I simply don't have the room to display this stuff," Mr. Atwater said.
    That will all change when the museum moves to its new digs at Fort Lee. The expanded museum is expected to have room to display almost everything in the collection. The move is slated for 2009, but having worked for the government for more than two decades, Mr. Atwater thinks it will be later than that.
    For now, the public will have to be satisfied with the cramped space and open field that do a very good job of giving visitors a good cross-section of some of the military's biggest -- and most lethal -- weapons.
    Mr. Yost is a writer in Lake Elmo, Minn.

    #2
    Hopefully they'll be able to save this collection. Good thing is it's closer to my area so I'll have better access to them

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      #3
      On the other hand, I guess I know what I will be doing one weekend coming up... heading a little North to check the place out before it moves!

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        #4
        The base is not being closed. The ordnance center and museum will move to Fort Lee. Other sections such as biomedical research etc. are going to Aberdeen and the base will pick up about 6,000 new personell. I too hope that all of the items at the museum will be preserved (they are restoring many of them) and displayed at Ft. Lee. I just wish they had not cut up that German WW1 A7V in 1942.
        Dan Murphy

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          #5
          Fort Lee, Virginia - Is that the location of the new "Museum of the United States Army" that is in the works?

          Hopefully this means that the Aberdeen collection will finally get the care, maintenence, etc. that it has been lacking for so many decades.

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            #6
            I sincerely hope they don't forget the poor Elefant which is still languishing at a railhead nearby ??

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                #8
                Does anyone know if Dr.Atwater plans to move to VA with the collection?

                - Alan

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                  #9
                  APG will be a big loss to the army but will save the tax payers big $s. The only thing is that it will be decades before it is handed over to the private sector. I'm sure it will be a "super fund clean-up site" first, like half of the military bases that close. I like the idea of the armor moving to Fort Lee, I'll be there next year, so I may get to see all the stuff move in?

                  Steve

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                    #10
                    Where is Fort Lee if you came from Washington DC.Thanks for answer.

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                      #11
                      I lived in Yuma AZ. in 1966-67. The Army proving grounds located there
                      was testing the atomic cannon. They would fire it at night, over the
                      city into the dessert. You could hear them fire it and have time to run
                      outside and stand in your front yard and see the tracer go over.
                      Pretty cool stuff for a 10 year old ( at that time ).

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by boyouLaGleize.
                        Where is Fort Lee if you came from Washington DC.Thanks for answer.
                        Fort Lee is in Peteresburg, VA, which is south of Washington and Richmond down I-95. Little less than 2 hours drive from DC.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jack T
                          Fort Lee is in Peteresburg, VA, which is south of Washington and Richmond down I-95. Little less than 2 hours drive from DC.
                          Thanks Jack,some of my family live in DC,next year we visit them and we go to Cape Hatteras,nice spot

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                              #15
                              There are some really interesting things in the article, but a couple of things that really have me perplexed. First, the director is Doctor William Atwater. When I was there working as a volunteer when I was assigned to APG, I called him "Bill" after he got tired of me calling him Dr. Atwater.
                              Next, I would have a tough time with him providing so much mis-information. I have a feelingthat the reporter did a lot of ad-libbing.
                              I would expect Dr. Atwater to mve with the collection. He has been a real asset to the museum community over the years and has been atthe helm of some great museums including the Pratt Museum at Ft. Campbell.
                              I believe that the museum of the US Army is going to be at Ft. Belvoir. Dr. Terry Van Meter, formerly of the US Cavalry Museum at Ft. Riley, is the director.
                              Allan

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