Can anyone identify this Russian armour?

[Graeme L]

This piece of knocked out Russian armour is in a photo album from 718.Inf.Div I have. Can anyone help identify what it is, tank or armoured car etc?

Any help would be great.

Graeme

[Tommy]

I think this is a early T-34.

[Graeme L]

The rear of the photo has a developing stamp of Sept '41.

I'm not familiar with early T-34's do you have any photos to compare? I've tried the online "Soviet Union Factbook" but couldn't find anything.

Cheers Tommy.

[cbo]

Originally posted by Graeme L
The rear of the photo has a developing stamp of Sept '41.

I'm not familiar with early T-34's do you have any photos to compare? I've tried the online "Soviet Union Factbook" but couldn't find anything.

Cheers Tommy.

Look here: http://www.battlefield.ru/map.html

Though a T-34 would be my first guess as well, there is something not quite right about it. The gun looks way to small, the mantlet is not right, the tracks draped over the vehicle does not look right either and the vehicle seems too tall and all together too flimsy to be a T34.

Interesting....

[Tommy]

i know this typ was by Italerie as model T-34 Stalingrad.

Here a link it helps possible.

http://www.battlefield.ru/t34_76_2.html

[Akira Takiguchi]

I believe this is one of the BA armored cars seen from the rear, turret pointing to the rear.

[Mike Coleman]

I agree. This looks like the rear of a BH 10 armored car

[Mike Coleman]

Sorry, got cut off. This looks like a BH 10 armored car from the rear. It is not a T-34 because it is too narrow, the tracks are wrong, the turret and gun are wrong and it is a wheeled vehicle. The BH 10 carried light tracks that would fit over the wheels and provide traction on soft ground. From the turret I would guess this is a model 1937 which I think had a 4.5cm gun. Mike C.

[Listy]

LOLOLOLOL

I know! i know!

the the rear of a BA10 armourd car.

[Graeme L]

I can't say I'm 100% convinced that it's a BA-10. The armour in my photo appears to be quite sloped where as the BA-10's side armour is almost straight up and down.

I can see this being a similar armoured car with the turret facing the rear, as apposed to a fast tank. I like the tracks which are visable in the attached photo. Similar to the temporary ones shown in my first photo.

Below is a BA-10, note how the side armour looks to be less sloped than my photo.

Gee

Photo copyright of www.wwiivehicles.com

[Mike Coleman]

Gee,
I think the slope question is a matter of perspective. The original photo is from almost 6 o'clock' the second fhoto is from about 7 o'clock. The side ot he vehicle behind the door is of two plates with the seam near the front of the rear two wheels. The side armor of the BH-10 is sloped at about 10 degrees on the most forward of these two plates. The second plate gos from the seam near the wheel to the back plate where the seam is almost 90 degrees when seen from 6 o'clock. This would make it look like a plate with no angle from the perspective of the second picture.
Regards, Mike C.

[Nashorn]

also notice in the first picture the door that u can just see to the right of the turret.

so im gunna go witht the Armoured Car theory, exactly which type ill leave up 2 those more informed in the subject than myself

Nashorn

[Graeme L]

I agree that the vehicle is most probably an armoured car.

I'm still not convinced that the angle of the photo is the only reason for the difference in appearance of the armour. The vehicle I posted looks to be a bit more substantial that the BA-10. Even in the second photo where it is undamaged it looks very flimsy.

The armour plate in my first photo looks to cover the rear of the wheel arches and the body of the vehicle quite well. The BA-10's arches and rear armour plate look very much like different pieces in two different directions, not as shaped as my photo.

I'm not trying to needlessly pick holes in your theories but would like to be able to positively identify the vehicle by matching it up with a good photofit.

Thanks for your help.

Gee

[Listy]

IIRC: the BA-6, 10 and 11 all ahd more or less the same shape, so it might be one of hte otehrs, buthte end result is:

its a six wheeled (possiby 8 to get it off mounds) armoured box, with a 45mm in the turret, and MG's.

and if you hit it with anythign above a PZB39 it'll become chared and spread around the landsacpe. of ocurse you haveto hit it first, it could move it somewhat.

[yak_v]

Yes...

It is a Ba-11 armored car. The difference between it and Ba-10 were highly sloped sides, while Ba-10 had a mode angular hull construction.

Vladimir