Officers Panzer Wrap -opinions Wanted

[IAN CALDERWOOD]

Hi Guys, This Belongs To A Collector Friend Who Would Appreciate Some Feedback.

[IAN CALDERWOOD]

Panzer Wrap

Hi Guys, This Belongs To A Collector Friend Who Would Appreciate Some Feedback.

FELDHERRENHALE

[IAN CALDERWOOD]

Panzer Wrap

feldherrenhale

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[IAN CALDERWOOD]

Nco Panzer Wrap

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ANOTHER PICTURE.

[IAN CALDERWOOD]

Nco Panzer Wrap

another Picture. Not Officer But Nco,

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[IAN CALDERWOOD]

Nco Panzer Wrap

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ANOTHER PICTURE

[IAN CALDERWOOD]

cufftitle

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what do people think of this cufftitle...thanks Ian

[dread]

what do people think of this cufftitle...thanks Ian

hi ian
this may be a stupid question(i havent been collecting as many years as you)
but i supose you have done the blacklight test?

[Daniele Tirelli]

Hi Ian, I would say questionable at most. JUST MY OPINION. About the hand stitched eagle this is never a good sign, but possibly worse on such a rare jacket (feldherrnhalle).
The cuffband really is not good looking, and so are the shoulder straps.
But please consider it's not that easy to say something from a couple of pics...
Post it in the uniform forum, and surely you'll find even more support.
Daniele

hi ian
this may be a stupid question(i havent been collecting as many years as you)
but i supose you have done the blacklight test?

[Bobwirtz]

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[CSP]

Guys - we've got to stop applying this collector folklore that breast eagles were only machine sewn "at the factory". It is a general inspection point and mostly reassuring to see one machine sewn, but - as pointed out - is not a "never/always"rule.

Some may disagree...but should not take offense at my manner in remarking.

Photographic evidence clearly shows hand-sewn EM eagles on Heer uniforms. Not everything was made "at a factory". Many uniforms were made in smaller firms formed in local unions - Lagos - and passed to depots. Many of these smaller firms used very accomplished seamsstresses who applied insignia in the hand-sewn mode.

That said, this breast eagle looks like one that was removed once and then resewn.

The collar tab piping does not look like the styles manufactured during the war and used in 99% of the instances where real insignia is present. Thus, I cannot be confident these tabs are period,and my own conclusion is they are not from what I can see.

Straps are favorable to my eye...hard to say about the FHH cyphers...possibly authentic and added, maybe not.

The cufftitle is not the norm, but referneces do refer to a style like this in a general descriptive manner...but not pictured anywhere that I have ever seen. It does not conform to all other wool based Heer cufftitles in size (looks a lot wider) or form (eg, missing the braided borders). It does not conform to the standard FHH political style cufftitle that almost always is seen on uniforms in collections and period photos of this unit. Taken together, it's hard to explain this cufftitle as an original. It may be, but without photographic proof, I think most will find it hard to defend this cufftitle with anything but conjecture.

[Panzer Rob]

Hi Guys, This Belongs To A Collector Friend Who Would Appreciate Some Feedback.

I'm by no means an expert, but personally, I don't like the cuff title. It doesn't match up with any known originals I'm familiar with. The collar tabs look bad as well. Is there any way you can get better pictures of the shoulder boards, particularly the cyphers? I'd still like to see some close-up shots that aren't so grainy.

It's always hard to tell without seeing the piece in person, but my initial feeling on this one is

Rob.

[afrika]

I'm with Scott on the breast eagle thing. I've seen plenty of original tunics of different types with hand sewn period workmanship. "Factory Applied" is a fairytale.

I once met and spoke to a Heer panzer vet who distincly remembered having a black tunic with a vertical front closure (he did not know it was SS). The reason he remembered was because his mates pulled the piss for having a different tunic to them. Needless to say, he had to apply the breast eagle and insignia himself. He cannot recall it having any insignia whatsoever when issued from the barracks depot. He was a Panther gunner in 1944 and was 17 years old at the time. I cannot recall his name, but I remember him because I had him on board my Leopard as a guest for a ride one day during my Army service. he climbed up the side of that thing as if he was still 17 ! Fittest 70 year old I ever saw..... and the smile on his face as he clung to the loaders hatch at 60 kph was priceless !

Steve

[DaveJ]

I agree 100% about the piping on the tabs, I would not buy them,

Dave

[B. N. Singer]

Guys - we've got to stop applying this collector folklore that breast eagles were only machine sewn "at the factory". It is a general inspection point and mostly reassuring to see one machine sewn, but - as pointed out - is not a "never/always"rule.

Some may disagree...but should not take offense at my manner in remarking.

Photographic evidence clearly shows hand-sewn EM eagles on Heer uniforms. Not everything was made "at a factory". Many uniforms were made in smaller firms formed in local unions - Lagos - and passed to depots. Many of these smaller firms used very accomplished seamsstresses who applied insignia in the hand-sewn mode.

That said, this breast eagle looks like one that was removed once and then resewn.

The collar tab piping does not look like the styles manufactured during the war and used in 99% of the instances where real insignia is present. Thus, I cannot be confident these tabs are period,and my own conclusion is they are not from what I can see.

Straps are favorable to my eye...hard to say about the FHH cyphers...possibly authentic and added, maybe not.

The cufftitle is not the norm, but referneces do refer to a style like this in a general descriptive manner...but not pictured anywhere that I have ever seen. It does not conform to all other wool based Heer cufftitles in size (looks a lot wider) or form (eg, missing the braided borders). It does not conform to the standard FHH political style cufftitle that almost always is seen on uniforms in collections and period photos of this unit. Taken together, it's hard to explain this cufftitle as an original. It may be, but without photographic proof, I think most will find it hard to defend this cufftitle with anything but conjecture.

Without us having a decent look at the jacket's construction, how can you even tell if the coat is original?

B. N. Singer