The black has a strange hinge for this maker, by the way lately i have seen this hinge in maker marked 'L/11' Black WB's for sale very often, i believe it's a new strike of fakes.
The silver has the maker marks '127' and does not has the characteristics of a real '127' with cast in hinge and catch, the catch is more similar with the fakes with that maker on them and not only.
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