65 Klein & Quenzer Silver Wound Badge

[Ken B.]

Just picked this one up in an ad call. Looks OK to me.
Opinions?

[Ken B.]

2

[Ronny.R]

It is a good one
congrats

Cheers,
Ronny

[Ken B.]

Cheers back at ya.
I'm glad it's good.
Thanks!

[Wim Vangossum]

I'm learning to detect al those typical characteristics from the different makers like the experts on this subject (The WB-Lovers a call dem).
This is indeed a good and nice Klein & Quenzer.

Regards, Theo

[don]

Well...Make a call on the back of this one.
don

[WenRan]

Well...Make a call on the back of this one.
don

???
What is your point ?
Tell us Don please .
Do you see a red flag ?
Cheers Randy

[don]

I am kidding theo a bit With his statement on learning about wound
badges Yes there is a problem with the picture I posted.It is a
fake.Here is a shot of the back of a good late 65.You tell me what you see. I don't have a front shot of the fake

[Porsche]

Don,
I know the badge that you've shown as a 'fake', as one of my GWB's was 'Black-Balled' on the basis that it had a mark above the pin and rust on the pin like the badge you've posted . Having looked in detail at the obverse and compared it with many other K&Q WB's (Silver and Gold) that are allegedly 'OK', I'd question the conclusion that these are fakes . If they are, the die flaws on other alleged 'originals' have been carried across completely to these 'fakes'.
I know it sounds like sour grapes , but to my mind the die flaws are like fingerprints, and get worse over time. I now believe that my example is a very late war badge, the only question is if these die's were used post '45?
See the link below for my previous threads on this;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=184736

Cheers,

Neil

[don]

Sorry if I upset you about using your picture.I keep A file of badges that I think are fakes and that badge falls in that catagory.I find pictures all over and if no name on them I use them.If you wish me to remove it I will.
I think I also used it in another forum.I am not going to get in a pissy
fight.As most have learned a 65 with aline above the hinge and rust
all over the hinge pin and main pin is the sine of a fake.This badge will also lack detail in the front.Anyways you think what you want and I will do the same.If you want me to remove the picture from my files I will.Note to new collectors,if you see any 65 with a sharp line above
hinge and rust on the hinge pin and lack of detail on the front.Ask for help and information.
Sines of a fake in my opinion.Note ,I removed your picture from my files and can remove from this thread and another one if you wish.
don

[Porsche]

Don,
I'm not bitchin' about you using my photo (I'm not sure that it is mine, just has the same line and rusty pin). I'm just making a point that good or bad badges are often a matter of opinion "Anyways you think what you want and I will do the same".
I got the message that my 65 was a fake from the forum and started to look in detail at other 65's that were rated as 'good'. What I found in the die flaws swayed me into thinking that, hey, mine might be OK after all.
I try to look for evidence to back up opinions, that doesn't mean that yours, mine or anyone else's opinions are good or bad, just that without evidence, that's what they are -Opinions

[Wim Vangossum]

Hi guy's
Just saw the pictures! I know nothing about early or late 65's I got to learn a lot more of these Badges!!
When does the indept study book comes ?

Regards, Theo

[don]

OK Theo
I will give a crash course 101.
In the solid 65 there are two types. Early and late. The early 65 are marked in the center. It also is thinner and the weight is less. My early weighs 20.45 grams and
The size is 36.86x43.03.Now the later one is marked at the bottom and is thicker and weighs more. My late one weighs 30.41 grams and the size is 37.10x43.36.In my opinion
The later badge is the nicer of the two. As far as I know the 65 was never made in tombak.Hope this helps.
don

[don]

The backs

[don]

65 black in this group