Silver Wound Badge Wilhelm Deumer marked -3-

[limburgsejager]

Hi guys,

I would like to show you this Silver Wound badge.
It's maker marked with a '3' like we know from the Deumer War Merit Cross 1st Class.

The Maker mark looks a little bit odd and this is, as far as I know, not a Deumer setup.

IMO this is a not a original Deumer medal, but I would like know your opinions...

I'm sorry for the bad pictures but this all I have at the moment.

[Thomas Durante]

No, this is a staegemeir fake. Nothing Deumer would produce..



Tom

[limburgsejager]

Tom, Thanks for confirming my thoughts

If I'm correct, Deumer maker marked '3' examples do exist but are very scarce?

Marco

[Hans N]

It´s a what looks like a genuine S&L badge with an added Deumer mark. Don´t look like a Staegemeir to me at all.

And yes there are "3" marked wound badges out there but scarce

[limburgsejager]

Hi Hans,

what do you think of these flaws?

Marco

[Hans N]

Hi Marco,

those can be found on both Staegemeir copys as well as original badges but on the copys i have seen has been very pronounced.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,


This thread is getting confusing, I think we need to start labeling which ones are fakes versus original.


I think there are mostly fakes in this thread, but Hans shows 1 or 2 that are original IMO.


Tom

[Hans N]

Tom,

first 2 are originals and the last 2 Staegemeir fakes. I posted them mearly to show the flaws on the reverse.
Compare the 2 originals with the badge that Marco started with in this topic and look at the hinge pin for instance which is a detail Staegemeir
so far has not got right this far AFIK. Marcos badge is an original with an added maker mark and then they smothened the surface around it which
gives the lighter or should i say shiner spot

[Thomas Durante]

Marcos badge is an original with an added maker mark and then they smothened the surface around it which
gives the lighter or should i say shiner spot

Hi Hans,

Thanks for posting some other examples and explaining which ones are fakes versus originals. I can only agree with these. However, I am 100% confident that Marco's example that started this thread is a Staegemier fake. Look at the crude cut out for the catch, this is typical stagemeir problem area. He can make a nice casting of an original badge, but when it comes to cleaning it up he fails. Cutout is very sloppy compared with original S&L badges. The exact style and shape of the "3" is also known from other Staegemeir fakes.

Tom

[Hans N]

H Tom,

i stand corrected! It shure is a Stagemeir copy. This clearly shows why good scans/photos are a must.
A good call by you!

[limburgsejager]

Thanks Tom and Hans,

It's nice to know these Staegemeir fakes do exist. So if I understand correctly these badges can be identified looking at the catch? And in this case also on the bad maker mark..

Marco

[Thomas Durante]

Thanks Tom and Hans,

It's nice to know these Staegemeir fakes do exist. So if I understand correctly these badges can be identified looking at the catch? And in this case also on the bad maker mark..

Marco

Yes, that is correct Marco. Your original analysis was correct, good job recognizing this as a fake as its a pretty good one.

Tom

[Ronny.R]

Hi

One small thing to look for is the lack of tool marks on the fakes
in comparison to original badges


Cheers,
Ronny