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    #1

    Otto Gahr pendant

    I'm new here but thought you might find this interesting. Not sure if I've posted to the right forum as there seems to be no place exactly for jewelry.

    This pendant was given to me by my mother whose husband, my step-father, brought it home with him after his service as translator and MP in Germany and Austria, WWII. He said it came from Himmler's Cave. Others have said that it looks to be an authentic Otto Gahr. I'd be interested in your thoughts. I cannot find anything quite like it on the Internet. There are a couple Gahr pieces that are similar, you can see them doing an image search on "otto gahr jewelry".

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vLD...ew?usp=sharing

    If for some reason you're unable to see it via the above link, message me and I'll figure out a way for you to see it.
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    #2
    Certainly looks impressive. Give it some time and the collectors should post.

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      #3
      , ,that is not a Gahr hallmark. That is the SS culture mark. It was for items approved by the SS to represent its way of life, history and culture etc. etc.

      It was erroneously used in an old book about Gahr, Silver, the SS.

      A Gahr hallmark is his name and munich. Otto Gahr Munich.. Sometimes it will be accompanied by the old imperial Silver content marking system.

      It certainly is an impressive piece. And, certainly looks like something that could have been made by a master smith such as Firma Gahr. But the way it is right now it can not be attributed directly to Gahr..

      If there was some sort of provenance,,a period advert, a receipt, even a period letter describing it.

      Forget about the story,,unless you have some sort of provenance for that too..

      What you have if authentic is a really nice , high end piece of 3rd reich SS jewelry.. I would say a custom made for retail or custom order piece..

      It IS a really nice piece. As I mentioned high end, would bring high value in a sale. Would certainly be one of the stars of someones 3rd reich SS jewelry collection.. Congrats..

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        #4
        I note that the SS Kulturzeichen is on the octagon shaped device attached to the pendant. Is it cast with the piece of jewelry or silver soldered on? If the later, I can't help but question its authenticity, especially considering the off center application of the runes within the device. Sorry if I am suspicious, but I seem to remember a similar situation with some jewelry or something shown on the SS forum. The SS Kulturzeichen is usually found applied directly into/onto the item, i.e. SS-Police swords, SS Allach pieces and such.

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          #5
          Apart from the SS culture mark on the back,i can,t see any significance to the SS
          in this piece, also not heard of Himmler,s cave before.

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            #6
            Thank you for your insight. Ratisbon's has indicated they'd like me to send it there for authentication. I'm on the verge of doing so.
            https://www.ratisbons.com/

            The problem of provenance is interesting, since the piece came to the US in my step-father's pocket and was in his and of course my mother's possession all along. It was "the spoils of war." How do you document that?

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              #7
              Originally posted by JoeW View Post
              I note that the SS Kulturzeichen is on the octagon shaped device attached to the pendant. Is it cast with the piece of jewelry or silver soldered on? If the later, I can't help but question its authenticity, especially considering the off center application of the runes within the device.

              That was my first impression, item has what i would call a Nordic look but how easy would it be to solder the back relief on to the back design.

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                Originally posted by Lonnie View Post
                Thank you for your insight. Ratisbon's has indicated they'd like me to send it there for authentication. I'm on the verge of doing so.
                https://www.ratisbons.com/

                The problem of provenance is interesting, since the piece came to the US in my step-father's pocket and was in his and of course my mother's possession all along. It was "the spoils of war." How do you document that?
                Well, for documentation I would look to secure your step-father's DD214 form showing his service in Europe: rank, unit, when and where. This would help to establish the "story".

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JoeW View Post
                  Well, for documentation I would look to secure your step-father's DD214 form showing his service in Europe: rank, unit, when and where. This would help to establish the "story".
                  Thank you for that excellent idea! Now I have to figure out how to do that, but that's what search engines are for. :-)

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Lonnie View Post
                    Thank you for that excellent idea! Now I have to figure out how to do that, but that's what search engines are for. :-)
                    If your step-father's records were not kept by your mother after his death for purposes of burial as a veteran, you will need to contact the Federal Records Center in St. Louis County, Missouri.

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                      #11
                      Likely a fake Gahr / ss stamp

                      thanks for showing this item and the marks. The piece looks like many similar pieces of jewelry made in the same time period in Estonia or eastern europe in the nordic style. The stamp is off-center and the shield that it is stamped upon looks too large for the piece. The proportions are wrong in my opinion for this size pendant. It just looks faked and likely is not a Gahr item nor an ss approved item. It would be interesting to see if the large shield was applied to cover or hide another silver maker's mark but it may damage the piece. Although I would consider prying it off just to find out.

                      You can order biological parents' military records from NPRC on-line very easily. But I doubt that will help establish any link with this piece which is nice enough without the likely fake ss stamp. And, I have seen many brooches with a faked/added ss stamp that look better than this one. There was a discussion we had about these regarding a Viking ship brooch if you can locate that discussion.

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                        #12
                        link

                        here is the link of the discussion we had on Gahr brooch kz mark:

                        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=949650

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                          Here are the images in case they disappear...
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