Early Teno 1922 badge

[Sgt Heat]

I've compared this to original ones and it looks like its good but the control number is in a different place. Is this just an early variation? - Thanks - Joe

[jimmy72]

Interesting badge ! Looks all good ... could you post a pic of the back of enamel inset with the pin up ?

[Sgt Heat]

here's the back

Thanks for the reply. Here's the center in back. If this one is real then the different number location might just be an early variation?

[Sgt Heat]

Are there others out there with the number engraved like this?

[jimmy72]

Never seen this on another badge . Badge is good that’s for sure !

[robert]

Looks good.

[Sgt Heat]

Thanks Jimmy. Either an early variation or maybe a replacement since it has an engraved number? Can you give me any feedback on the Fritz Todt badge I posted right before this one?

[jimmy72]

Spoke to Jo Rivett the author of this TeNo book regarding your badge and here is his take :
No doubt good, and has had silver solder blobbed into the original number to cover it up.
Only reason I can think of, is someone lost their badge, and once they were allowed to be worn again applied for a new one, but because no new badges were made again after 1936, the maker could only issue an already numbered second hand replacemnet with new-original number etched onto the award.
•Original number would need to match number on citation recieved in 1935/1936.
•A replacemnet would not have been needed or issued or made between 1936-1944, as it was prohibited to wear the award.

Point two might sound strange, but if a replacemnet was needed in the first years it was made and allowed to be worn - a very brief period - the replacemnet would have the original number applied to the enamel face, like all were, like the maker was making them at the time, and had all the spare parts. tooling etc to quickly do it. So only senario there could be for covering the original number, would be that the maker was no longer making them, and it was either a badge he still had in storage or a returned badge already numbered. And so covered the old number and etched onto the actual award the guys original number.

The maker Fühner only made them in three contracts, in 1935 and 1936, then the award was replaced with the cuff title and forbidden to be worn. So, the maker had no need to keep the dies and that was it. Then, almost 10 years later when they could be worn again.. Fühner obviously has no dies and is not making them anymore or is not making anything anymore and this replacemnet award comes from/through the TeNo HQ and not the maker.

Nice award.

[Stan]

I would agree with the suggestion that the badge has probably had the original issue number covered up and then re-issued with a new (engraved) number.

I have never seen one like it before

Stan

[Sgt Heat]

Yes, I can see where the original number was blotted out and soldered over. Will take a better picture of it and the number. Very interesting. Do they make fakes of these then? I would imagine it would be a tough badge to copy and fool anyone with.

[jimmy72]

Yes they do make fakes of this badge . Jo exposes the fake in his book I have posted.
Interested in seeing the clearer pics ! Good badge and interesting too ! Thanks for posting .

[Sgt Heat]

interior shot

Here's a better shot of the interior and the number. The number is engraved in a sort of zig-zag etch you see sometimes on old items. (Wasn;t The "Zig Zag Etch" a popular late 90s hip-hop dance step?)

It appears this is a re-numbered badge and a kind of curious anomaly. Would be happy to send detailed pictures to anyone wanting to put it in a book.

[Sgt Heat]

A number of badge experts told the dealer that carried this, that this was a fake, probably because of the number being in the wrong place. I looked at the patina, the construction and the perfect enamel and went by instinct rather than the rules. A true case of "ingnorance is bliss" wouldn;t you say?I looked at it a number of shows and finally took a chance while walking around "Adventure buying" after a big sale with some money in my pocket.

[jimmy72]

A number of badge experts told the dealer that carried this, that this was a fake, probably because of the number being in the wrong place. I looked at the patina, the construction and the perfect enamel and went by instinct rather than the rules. A true case of "ingnorance is bliss" wouldn;t you say?I looked at it a number of shows and finally took a chance while walking around "Adventure buying" after a big sale with some money in my pocket.

Good score Sarge ! Looks like you out foxed all the “ expurrts “ ..
Glad you scored on this “ adventure buy “ !! .. but be careful as there are some sneaky items and sneakier dealers and experts.
Good luck !