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**Duzig** · 10-26-2017, 08:31 AM

No expert at all here, particularly on badges but from what I have read I thought this badge was not considered original. Here is a link to these badges and the last two shown I believe are thought to be originals. Actually, there are two pictures shown with links on the attached thread(#12reply by Jo Rivett)
that do look like yours some so I hope others with knowledge of badges put in more info
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...lksbund+ungarn
As I say no expert here, I don't usually collect badges, this is just from things I have read.
Duzig(Bill)

**Patrick W** · 10-26-2017, 11:34 AM

thanks Bill, yes that's where I got the info from- it is the same as the 2 badges linked but in slightly better shape

thanks

**Wim Vangossum** · 10-26-2017, 12:08 PM

It's not good. Originals look completely different.

Regards, Wim

**Patrick W** · 10-26-2017, 12:43 PM

Hi Wim

Thanks- Jo Rivett studied these and this type he said was probably genuine along with the black lettered type.

I take it you mean the black lettered type?

**Wim Vangossum** · 10-26-2017, 01:48 PM

Does Jo saying this type is good? Than I need an update. I thought only the version with the black lettering was ok.

Regards, Wim

**Patrick W** · 10-26-2017, 02:32 PM

Hi Wim

Please see the thread linked by Bill

**John T** · 10-26-2017, 06:34 PM

what a bunch of contradictory information, an expert in Hungarian items who I certainly respect told me the RK pieces are correct and original and know I am supposed to believe that they are fake.. I do not buy it

**Duzig** · 10-26-2017, 08:04 PM

Hello,
As I mentioned I don't really collect badges and only go by what different things I read but it does seem as if what JohnT says makes sense. There does seem to be a lot of contradictory information in that thread I posted with information from Jo Rivett. It seems to me that in the 2nd page of that thread # 20 by Rivett where he gives the link to two badges that might be good, they look a lot, to me, like the badges he previously says are bad. Am I reading and misunderstanding what Jo says in that thread or what? Thanks for any help
Duzig(Bill)

**Patrick W** · 10-27-2017, 05:52 AM

Hi Guys

I didn't find it confusing- what he is saying is that all the badges with translucent enamel with maker mark or circle mark are copies- that includes the RK marked examples.

The only type with translucent red enamel he believes are probably real are the 2 badges linked in the thread which are the same as the badge that started this thread- if you compare the design of lettering and sunwheel to the RK they are noticeably different- easiest difference to spot is the larger gaps in the sunwheel

I found another thread on a different forum which is interesting as a member posts a badge that he dug in former SS positions in Karelia- I will post the image of that one here also- it is the same as mine.

I think that pretty much seals the deal that this particular variant is genuine.

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/nsdap-...rn-pin-185349/

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**Wim Vangossum** · 10-27-2017, 06:45 AM

Good work, sometimes you have to search for the truth by your own research.

Regards, Wim

**Gary Symonds** · 10-27-2017, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Patrick W View Post

Hi Guys

I didn't find it confusing- what he is saying is that all the badges with translucent enamel with maker mark or circle mark are copies- that includes the RK marked examples.

The only type with translucent red enamel he believes are probably real are the 2 badges linked in the thread which are the same as the badge that started this thread- if you compare the design of lettering and sunwheel to the RK they are noticeably different- easiest difference to spot is the larger gaps in the sunwheel

I found another thread on a different forum which is interesting as a member posts a badge that he dug in former SS positions in Karelia- I will post the image of that one here also- it is the same as mine.

I think that pretty much seals the deal that this particular variant is genuine.

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/nsdap-...rn-pin-185349/

Patrick, this ground dug badge is conclusive evidence as to the originality of these badges. This kind of distress cannot be faked in my opinion.

Another Jo Rivett edict from on high now bites the dust.

Guys doesn't this place in question his long list of "fakes" that have been accepted as original for years?

Think for yourselves.

Thank you Patrick.

**Gary B** · 10-27-2017, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Gary Symonds View Post

Patrick, this ground dug badge is conclusive evidence as to the originality of these badges. This kind of distress cannot be faked in my opinion.

Another Jo Rivett edict from on high now bites the dust.

Guys doesn't this place in question his long list of "fakes" that have been accepted as original for years?

Think for yourselves.

Thank you Patrick.

If I am reading this correctly Jo agreed that this type with translucent enamel is original (the one that started the thread).

Gary B

**jimmy72** · 10-27-2017, 02:57 PM

Yeah , we know the first version with the opaque enamel and crazy font is a good one . Regarding the second version translucent style , Jo leaves the door open to there being a legitimate translucent style. There are several translucent versions and some have been examined as fake and some have yet to be looked at. I believe the badge that started this thread has not been examined .

**jimmy72** · 10-27-2017, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Gary Symonds View Post

Patrick, this ground dug badge is conclusive evidence as to the originality of these badges. This kind of distress cannot be faked in my opinion.

Another Jo Rivett edict from on high now bites the dust.

Guys doesn't this place in question his long list of "fakes" that have been accepted as original for years?

Think for yourselves.

Thank you Patrick.

No , yours are still fake Gary.

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