Originally posted by Jo Rivett
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What a contrast in quality between the 2 badges posted in this thread...
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Well i am just the messenger on this thread, to show what the last one on the "open market" was advertised as. According to the auction, it was marked CE Juncker on the reverse. But there was never a reverse image so you couldn`t tell if the stickpin was added or what the markings looked like, how thick it was or if the obverse was frosted and the reverse not, or anything really.Originally posted by GiuseppeC View PostComment
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Jo:Originally posted by Jo Rivett View Post
Can you tell if the badge Ron posted is plated or solid? The finish on the border between 3-6 o'clock looks like worn plating, as opposed to tarnish, but I'm looking at it from my phone, so it's hard to tell.
The difference in quality in the engraving is also stunning...
The Meissners badge is hand-engraved, chased, and jeweler-quality, with consistent letter height (exactly what I would expect to see on a Diplomatic piece, considering that diplomats are the "face of the nation" to foreigners, i.e. 'put your best foot forward').
Also, look at difference in the field...the Meissners badge is fairly even throughout, with only a couple of very minor gaps, that you only see if you're really looking for them.Last edited by GiuseppeC; 03-25-2017, 05:39 PM.Comment
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Havn`t really spent any time looking at it, just recognized that i had seen it floating about for the past few years. No real intention of looking at it either, have two other threads going on at the moment that need further work.Originally posted by GiuseppeC View Post
Whatever it was or could be would also not be something i would be bothered about, and that would come out anyway under a more detailed look if it needed to be an important or focal point. Here is a simple club badge in silver, that has been silver gilded on a part of the obverse, and the rest gold gilded. Sometimes crazy things happened in the workshop, or people got their items regilded, and you know that i would start off anyway with looking at how the item was made. That is vital, any gilding or coating, fernis or fondant is the very last step in an item`s production, so naturally gets inspected towards the very end. Well by me anyway.
I have no idea about the Diplomatic side of the TR, dress code, badges, symbols, purpose, offices, countries..... but what is clear is that badge in post one has a purpose made pin, because no way is that being "pinned" onto any tie or any part of a uniform. Just not happening folks, fake news.
The only way you could wear a pin with a needle attachment with a bell end like that has, would be to wear it in loops made on a uniform for the badge. Or on other clothes, but not simply pinned on. Would that be called a conclusive observation?Comment
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Nice badges, lol on fake news comments, there is some info on these in the diplo books and an article in Military Trader from back when,
JohnComment
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It could have been done "in country"The difference in quality in the engraving is also stunning...
Regards,
PeteComment
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Hi Pete:Originally posted by Wood View Post
Mexico was (and is) one of the largest silver-producing nations in the world; Mexican jewelry produced at that time (30's-40's) is typically high-quality, and the engraving on Ron's badge is stylistically unlike their workmanship.
Best,
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I see a silver badge that was laquered. Where the laquer has worn away, the silver patinated.
Bob HritzIn the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.Comment
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I was offered a similar pin-back badge by Christian from MB several years ago. it was similar in size to a large GBP therefore approx 30mm in diam. It was a gold colour and had belonged to a diplomat in the Auswaertiges amt. It came with lots of photos and other docs.
However, it didn't really fit in to my area of collecting so after much thought, I passed.
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@ RonR:
When you have time, can you please post some sharp close-ups of these areas, and the border-area underneath "Mexico" (and any others you feel like photographing)?
Thank you!
@ Bob:
I'm still going with plated on this one...
Best,
AndreLast edited by GiuseppeC; 03-26-2017, 07:20 AM.Comment
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Thanks, Jo, for sharing that posting from Hüsken. As one might imagine, Dr. Hans-Otto Meissner was the son of Dr. Otto Meissner, Reichsminister and Chief or the President's Office in the Reichschancellery. Both Meissners were lawyers and son Hans was an SS officer who served as an Attaché with the Diplomatic Corps in the German Embassies in a number of world capitals, including London and Tokyo. He had a colorful career and authored quite a number of books during his lifetime (he died in 1992), novels, many on travel...and one a biography of Magda Goebbels!
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I'll offer a possibility as to what the acronym in notes #15 and 16 might represent: R.A.M. = Reichs Auslands Ministerium. Of course that doesn't account for why that acronym is missing in the original Mexiko note or what the "No 2" or "No 3" might refer to...??
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My turn to eat humble pie. Despite the more important things that Ron has going on in his life, he was gracious enough to follow-up on a suggestion I had made privately to him, via PM.Originally posted by GiuseppeC View Post
Through that, my impression of this badge has changed.
I'm still not crazy about that engraving, but my opinion is (now) that it is an original badge.
I realize that it's not easy to have the items in your collection publicly called into question, especially when it's not always done in a gentle, or even polite way (we've all been there), but I am man enough to admit when I'm wrong.
I want to publicly state that my assertion about it being plated was incorrect, and also publicly thank Ron for being a true gentleman about it.
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