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    #16
    Originally posted by sjl View Post
    The thread with John and all the pictures you'll ever want are here on WAF. Use the search tool and you'll find the original thread and you can re-live the joy of discovery as it unfolded about 10 years ago.
    Counsel, you have the burden of proof.

    Please find and post this thread.

    I have said it before; somehow these badges were overlooked for years, and then one day 10 years ago they are revealed for the first time as fakes? And everyone must fall into line and accept that these are fakes, because you post this fact on you website?

    How come you were asleep at the switch all of those years prior to this great discovery?

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      #17
      As posted on the Facebook page relating to the badge, I have apologized for my mistake and reimbursed the customer his fee for the COA. I have made this into a learning experience. Trying to make the best of a bad situation as I felt terrible about giving him bad information. For the record, we did not own or sell the badge, only prepared a COA at the owners request. I did it personally, my Dad did not. He only signed it before I sent it to the customer. I have since found a great source of information online as the book I have available is seriously lacking regarding info on the GPB.

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        #18
        Hey Gary - I've got the burden of nothing. Fill your pockets with these beauties if you like. There's a nice one on Snyder's Treasures right now for $2000.


        I think the thread was originally over at GDC in 2005 when a bunch of Fuess #33333 badges showed up. Happy to be your personal research assistant. Feel free to crawl through the thread:

        http://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbth...468#Post194468

        I don't have a magic microscope, but the case that thread builds is pretty convincing. Since then there have been new variations and improvements by the fakers, many with the same problems. The general summary is on my Gold Party Pin website.

        http://pages.interlog.com/~sjl/GPB/fakesnew.html

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          #19
          Hi Guys

          I would just like to point out that the whining coming from symonds is because HE OWNS ONE of these fakes, so obviously he needs it to be real. He sent it to me to examine a few years ago which i did, and the results were published on my web site. Because of the way i was treated by symonds on this forum i broke off all contact with him and banned him from my site.

          But, the research is still available online, MSC and micro imagery of many genuine GPBs, (and symonds) clearly showing the differences in construction and finishing of the fake vs: genuine Fuess badges.

          Just be aware of the reason for his - as usual - insulting posts towards anyone that does not agree with him. It is because of financial loss that he needs to keep pretending they are real.

          Here is Symonds fake GPB that he needs to be "the real deal."

          Allow me to point something else out about "these kinds of individuals"

          symonds has been as quiet as a mouse about these fakes, UNTIL, a CoA from someone who is supposedly all "this and that" is written showing that his fake is genuine. This, is all that people like this need to charge back up and go into battle.
          The same as the dealers who know their wares are fake, yet because they find a mention of it in an old book, that will be the sales pitch. Just like Weitze right now and his ISA fantasy awards listed at 6.000 each, with the sales pitch being: These are pictured in collectors literature by Angolia.

          As far as Shea is concerned, well there you go, this should be aloud warning bell to his customers, that - at least in this one case - he simply signs the CoA, which as we all read, is not about the GPB at all, but rather all about Bill! Mental, just mental that crap-ola like this is still offered up in 2016 by these people.

          Be aware collectors.

          Yours truly,
          The "Frankie Mc Donald" of Militaria, the almighty micro Jo!
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            #20
            I take no offense to Gary's query, in spite of my flippant tone. If there is new evidence these are good, I'm always happy to look at it, but this is pretty well-travelled ground.

            We all have badges we think (or wish) were real. I have a couple myself where I don't agree with the experts or their methods. I think the evidence these are bad is pretty convincing, but I have no skin in this game, not having collected them for years.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Jo Rivett View Post
              Hi Guys

              I would just like to point out that the whining coming from symonds is because HE OWNS ONE of these fakes, so obviously he needs it to be real. He sent it to me to examine a few years ago which i did, and the results were published on my web site. Because of the way i was treated by symonds on this forum i broke off all contact with him and banned him from my site.

              But, the research is still available online, MSC and micro imagery of many genuine GPBs, (and symonds) clearly showing the differences in construction and finishing of the fake vs: genuine Fuess badges.

              Just be aware of the reason for his - as usual - insulting posts towards anyone that does not agree with him. It is because of financial loss that he needs to keep pretending they are real.

              Here is Symonds fake GPB that he needs to be "the real deal."

              Allow me to point something else out about "these kinds of individuals"

              symonds has been as quiet as a mouse about these fakes, UNTIL, a CoA from someone who is supposedly all "this and that" is written showing that his fake is genuine. This, is all that people like this need to charge back up and go into battle.
              The same as the dealers who know their wares are fake, yet because they find a mention of it in an old book, that will be the sales pitch. Just like Weitze right now and his ISA fantasy awards listed at 6.000 each, with the sales pitch being: These are pictured in collectors literature by Angolia.

              As far as Shea is concerned, well there you go, this should be aloud warning bell to his customers, that - at least in this one case - he simply signs the CoA, which as we all read, is not about the GPB at all, but rather all about Bill! Mental, just mental that crap-ola like this is still offered up in 2016 by these people.

              Be aware collectors.

              Yours truly,
              The "Frankie Mc Donald" of Militaria, the almighty micro Jo!
              I simply wanted to point out that it was a mistake on my part, not reignite some old beef that is going on between people I don't even know. I am quite tired of people like you, "Almighty Jo", ragging on my father at every chance you get. He asked me to prepare the COA, which I did. It does list his qualifications and, as with all of our COA's, is followed by a detailed description of the item. I apologized publicly and privately to the customer. Apparently you have never made a mistake before.

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                #22
                Originally posted by pln0226 View Post
                I am quite tired of people like you...
                Of course you are. all your lot wants are sheep.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Jo Rivett View Post
                  Of course you are. all your lot wants are sheep.
                  Right....you have me pegged.

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                    #24
                    For me, the bottom line is that one needs to be comfortable with having these badges in their collections and for me and 99.999% of collectors, we're not.

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                      #25
                      All I can add is that I WISH the "Austrian Fake" didn't exist, as I paid good money for the example in my collection back in the 1980s, when I bought it from Ron Manion. While I do not have the ability to post photos, I can tell you that the Austrian Fake in my collection bears the number 83380 and is of the Fuess-marked variety.

                      I bear no hard feelings against Ron for selling me this piece; indeed, I valued it for about three decades as a genuine GPB myself...though neither Rob McDivitt or Mike Constandy were able to ID it for me. This of itself is no guarantee that a GPB is fake just because the original owner's file has not turned up yet, but it did give me cause to wonder whether the badge was good or not. Then came the revelation of the "Austrian Fake" and voila! My badge, like the one discussed here, fits the description 100%.

                      The longer I live the more I find out...!!!

                      Br. James

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                        #26
                        below a nice website where the same fake is detailed
                        http://www.geocities.ws/goldpartypin/fakesnew2.html


                        I saw them first on the market 2002

                        I dealed alot with GP over all the decades Bob Hirtz knows as well back the days with the fakes in 2002.

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                          #27
                          Amen! Our colleague Stephen ("sjl") offers the best reference website available for matters concerning the GPB! I am always grateful that his site is there for all of us!

                          "Countless thanks to sjl!"

                          Br. James

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Robert H View Post
                            below a nice website where the same fake is detailed
                            http://www.geocities.ws/goldpartypin/fakesnew2.html


                            I saw them first on the market 2002

                            I dealed alot with GP over all the decades Bob Hirtz knows as well back the days with the fakes in 2002.
                            Thanks for posting a link to this website...looks very informative.

                            Gary B
                            ANA LM #1201868, OMSA LM #60, OVMS LM #8348

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Robert H View Post
                              below a nice website where the same fake is detailed
                              http://www.geocities.ws/goldpartypin/fakesnew2.html


                              I saw them first on the market 2002

                              I dealed alot with GP over all the decades Bob Hirtz knows as well back the days with the fakes in 2002.
                              Very interesting. Except that I bought my GPB "Austrian" from Bob Hritz in 1991, for the sum of $300, at the Great Western Show in Los Angeles, and Bob to this day, stands behind this badge, and has consistently offered to refund my money.

                              I know Bob, who is my friend, hates to get involved in WAF controversy, but it would help if Bob who is a Life Member, would contribute his opinion to this thread.

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                                #30
                                Except the Fuess fake appeared in the early 1980s.

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