GPB's 53269, 82643 and 9316. Does anybody have any recipient info please?

[Joe Mc]

Hi all,

I was wondering if anybody happened to have any information on the recipient of GPB's 53269, 82643 and 9316 please?

Many thanks in advance,

Joe

[Joe Mc]

9316 - Please disregard, I've found an earlier thread. Thank you

[JoeW]

53269 was awarded to Paul Brandner of Gau Thuringen. Don't have a listing for the other.

[Joe Mc]

53269 was awarded to Paul Brandner of Gau Thuringen. Don't have a listing for the other.

Thank you very much indeed!

[Br. James]

Hi Joe,

Sorry but I don't have a listing for either #9316 or 82643. If you've found information about #9316, would you mind sharing that with us?

Cheers,

Br. James

[Br. James]

If you've found anything about the holder of #9316, then that's what I'm interested in; I too see the previous note on that number.

Thanks again,

Br. James

[Joe Mc]

Hi James,

Many thanks for taking the time to check for me.

I'm afraid that all I found on 9136 was an earlier thread on here staring that no information was available, sorry I didn't word it very well.

I've carried out a Google search (Didn't think I'd find anything) and I brought up some interesting information from a small badge that had previously sold linked to 53269.

"Small NSDAP Golden Party Badge to SS Untersturmführer - badge in gilded tombac and enamels, 24.23mm, pin back (pin broken), minor scratches to enamels, in very fine condition; numbered 9570. Badge comes with a large photocopied research file, showing recipient as Paul Brandner, NSDAP Nr. # 53269, SS Ausweiss Nr. 49328; he was born in Neudek (also known as Nejdek), in 1902; joined NSDAP in 1927, and Allgemeine-SS in 1932; promoted to SS-Untersturmführer (Second Leutnant) in 1941"

Bit strange they sold a small party badge numbered 9570 and attributed it to NSDAP member number 53269?!

Best regards,

Joe

[Br. James]

Hi Joe,

Yes, that is strange! I've found the same background info, too.

Cheers, my friend,

Br. James

[der-hase-fee]

I'm afraid that all I found on 9136 was an earlier thread on here stating that no information was available, sorry I didn't word it very well.

[der-hase-fee]

I've carried out a Google search .... on 52369 - really ? Maybe you can join the large GPB and the research file.

[der-hase-fee]

If you want to see #82643, I can let you know where to look.

[Joe Mc]

I'm afraid that all I found on 9136 was an earlier thread on here stating that no information was available, sorry I didn't word it very well.

Yes that's the one.

[Joe Mc]

I've carried out a Google search .... on 52369 - really ? Maybe you can join the large GPB and the research file.

When I first seen on the site with the dug up large badge where it said possible SS connection I didn't pay much attention, same with the name provided. I've had people say all kinds of things when they're trying to sell something.

That's why I've come on here to get impartial info.

I've since found the small badge that's possibly linked to the large dug up on war medals through google searching the number but not sure if the info is accurate due to different badge numbers.

I will be buying a badge but I need to choose between a more expensive, dug up badge with possible provenance or a cheaper nicer looking badge but with possibly no provenance.

If I knew a file excisted for the dug up I'd buy that one but if not I'd be better going for the cheaper, better badge.

[Br. James]

Hi Joe,

In my experience, it may be easier for the professional researchers to locate info on the original holder of a large GPB than a small one -- either Deschler or Fuess-marked. The reason for this may be that a large badge indicates that the holder was a member of one or more uniformed organizations, while the small badge only assures us that the holder was a Party Member -- male or female -- and nothing further. (And we also understand from recent notes that women who held the GPB only received the small version, regardless of the number of uniformed organizations they belonged to) An anonymous small badge may have been held by a man who belonged to and/or worked for uniformed organizations, but there is no way of making certain of that without proper research.

A person who belonged to one or more uniformed organizations will certainly have more membership and personnel files extant for him than those who only belonged to the NSDAP, and the more files there are with name and Party Member Number information on them, the better the chances for researchers to locate something...IMO, of course.

I have owned a small Deschler GPB for perhaps 20 years and have given the number out to both Rob McDivitt and Mike Constandy to research, and both have come up empty-handed. All of my other GPBs now have files prepared by Rob, so I know he is quite capable, but if there is little to no information out there on microfilm, then that greatly decreases the chances of finding out anything about a given GPB number.

If the GPB you're considering buying is a large badge, then in my estimation you have a better chance of having it attributed than if you bought a small badge w/o any documentation. And you're right in considering the condition of a badge, too; even ID'd, a GPB in poor or ground-dug condition is worth less than one in good shape -- unless, of course, the attribution is to a major or well-known person, in which case condition would be a secondary consideration.

Best of luck,

Br. James

[Joe Mc]

Hi Joe,

In my experience, it may be easier for the professional researchers to locate info on the original holder of a large GPB than a small one -- either Deschler or Fuess-marked. The reason for this may be that a large badge indicates that the holder was a member of one or more uniformed organizations, while the small badge only assures us that the holder was a Party Member -- male or female -- and nothing further. (And we also understand from recent notes that women who held the GPB only received the small version, regardless of the number of uniformed organizations they belonged to) An anonymous small badge may have been held by a man who belonged to and/or worked for uniformed organizations, but there is no way of making certain of that without proper research.

A person who belonged to one or more uniformed organizations will certainly have more membership and personnel files extant for him than those who only belonged to the NSDAP, and the more files there are with name and Party Member Number information on them, the better the chances for researchers to locate something...IMO, of course.

I have owned a small Deschler GPB for perhaps 20 years and have given the number out to both Rob McDivitt and Mike Constandy to research, and both have come up empty-handed. All of my other GPBs now have files prepared by Rob, so I know he is quite capable, but if there is little to no information out there on microfilm, then that greatly decreases the chances of finding out anything about a given GPB number.

If the GPB you're considering buying is a large badge, then in my estimation you have a better chance of having it attributed than if you bought a small badge w/o any documentation. And you're right in considering the condition of a badge, too; even ID'd, a GPB in poor or ground-dug condition is worth less than one in good shape -- unless, of course, the attribution is to a major or well-known person, in which case condition would be a secondary consideration.

Best of luck,

Br. James

Hi James,

That's some excellent information you provided, thank you. I never knew that a woman couldn't be issued with a large badge.

I think for the reasons you mentioned that I will buy a large badge. I've been collecting for quite a few years and I've never had a GPB but I've decided that I should go ahead and buy one before they become harder and more expensive to obtain. This is likely to be the only one that I have so it's a much more difficult decision than a normal purchase for me.

I really want to have provenance with to a badge, my collection focusses on paper items as I like the personal story not just the item.

It's a tough call, heart says go with the dug up badge, head says go with the good condition badge and hope research proves fruitful.

Many thanks again, I appreciate all the help and advice,

Regards,

Joe