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    #1

    NS-Frauenschaft badges marked OSANG-DRESDEN


    After careful analysis a few years ago, it was discovered that the small round NS-Frauenschaft badges marked OSANG-DRESDEN, are post war fakes.

    Just a heads-up to the new collectors, seeing as every WAF expert already owns one, and/or has commented favorably on the 50-odd threads about them here.

    Observation here, would be to not re-parrot J.R Cone (as i have read on older threads about these) as, e v e r y t h i n g that Cone wrote about the NS-Frauenschaft, as well as these OSANG fakes that he pictures as genuine in his 1983 disaster-booklet, is, like most of what Cone wrote, wrong.

    Observation here, would be to do your own research.
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    #2
    Thank you Jo, for your new warning. Thank you very much. I had never trust in this badge.

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      #3
      Hi Jo,

      I admit that I aways thougt they were good. But I suppose the microscope told a different story... Keep up the good work



      Regards, Wim
      Freedom is not for Free

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        #4
        Jo,

        Did the dies have the modern machine engraved perfect type of lettering you identified on a number of fakes? I have never owned one of these and have never had the opportunity to study them.

        I wonder if there are originals of this pin.

        Bob Hritz
        In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

        Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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          #5
          ns frauen

          hello jo
          thank for showing!
          i agree with your opinion on this badge, an good is now very hard to find!
          best regards
          patrick

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            #6
            Originally posted by Wim Vangossum View Post
            Hi Jo,
            I admit that I aways thougt they were good....
            Wim
            Wim, yes i have bought and sold six of them these past 6 years. Bought as genuine, and i sold them all as genuine as well.
            I could come up with many reasons after the fact, as to why i sold them as original. Maybe: "I just found out, here is me, the seller, going the extra mile to expose - expose even his own items!" but that would not be correct.
            Correct would be that i have known since 6 years that they are fake, and still proceeded to buy and sell them as original.
            There are a few reasons why i did this, that will become apparent with later article, findings, discussions etc..

            Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
            Jo,
            Did the dies have the modern machine engraved perfect type of lettering you identified on a number of fakes? I have never owned one of these and have never had the opportunity to study them.
            I wonder if there are originals of this pin.
            Bob Hritz
            (There are many original versions of the round Frauenschaft badges) Unfortunately it is not that easy. True is that the faker, just like the real maker, will have his own style, production technique, but not everything he fakes will carry the same markings - if any. So in many cases, although you will be looking at two or more badges that are made by the same faker, you will not see this without taking a detailed look at other aspects/parts of the items.

            The rounded "robot cut" lettering is only one pointer. The important thing is the way the dies were created, (how the grundrohling [blank] was created) the way in which the rohling was sheared from it`s piece of metal, and then the way it was finished. (coated, gilded, galvanized)
            For this we only have to observe the outer edging, or in German the stanzkante. Naturally the "CNC-robot cut" shape of letters/design etc.. also comes into play here, but they are only one point, one observation. The important one is to fist see if the item was created as Third Reich items were. Using the tooling of that time and the production method(s) of that time/country.

            The Frauenschaft fakes with the name OSANG, are made by the same forger who is responsible for a whole bag full of fakes and fantasies. To be absolutely certain though, i have only chosen three so far, as although the many others show the identical die creation technique, they either don`t show the "impressions" found on the following three, or they are made in other other metals. So, slowly but surely, one by one, is the correct way forward, for me anyhow.
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            In order to see the full picture, you will need to read the reviews of the two badges analyzed before the OSANG badge, as they start a mini-series of articles that follow the identical forger around.

            Seeing as the new website that myself and another goodly soul are working on is not up `n running yet, i have hosted the articles on my site, which you should be able to read by clicking the appropriate links on top of the images.

            N°1 The first fake by the OSANG faker is the DBV stickpin fake.



            N° 2 The second fake by the OSANG faker is the NS-Kinderschar fake



            N° 3 The next fake in this mini series is the OSANG Frauenschaft fake.

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              #7
              Joe, just read your article and its impressive to say the least, not totally sure im understanding all the info and im sure i will find it usefull in the future if i purchase a microscope but may i thank you for your time and effort taken to help this hobby

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                #8
                Hi Jo


                Sorry if I appear stupid, but I'm trying to read between Your lines - trying to figure it out. What CNC Robot Technology are we specificly talking about that created the dies for these fake badges? Are we talking about laser milled or? I am trying to understand manufacturing method of them, but I can't.


                Kind Regards,
                Carsten

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post

                  I wonder if there are originals of this pin.

                  Bob Hritz
                  Bob,

                  Was asked to post these...........


                  ...............
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                  RonR

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                        #12
                        Thanks Ron for the excellent close-up photos. I take it after reading Joe's first post, your post number 10 showing a badge with Osang-Dresden markings is a postwar fake. But post number 11 shows a original badge.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by soldon View Post
                          your post number 10 showing a badge with Osang-Dresden markings is a postwar fake.
                          Post 10 shows a Deschler u. Sohn and looks to be a fine original.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by David Fettes View Post
                            Post 10 shows a Deschler u. Sohn and looks to be a fine original.
                            No doubts - it is an original Deschler. A badge of my dreams.

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                              #15
                              Sorry Ron, gentlemen my mistake, post 10 is of course a picture of a Deschler u. Sohn badge. Please ignore my post number 12.

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