Nobody here has any idea about the provenance, originality, ... of this badge?
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I am leaning towards fantasy, this badge is particular is prone to that [at least 2 blue ort level fantasy pieces I can think of off the top of my head].
Don't wish to throw any cold water on what has the chance of being a stunning rarity, but in absence of any period documentation, has to be considered 4th Reich.Comment
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The artful dodger
Reminds me of that Prodigy song "Fire starter" except, replace fire starter with Question Dodger!
Always the same, dodge the questions you have no answers for, but dont forget to come back and accept the LOB and praise for showing a simple image (of a badge) - that does not even belong to you!
It is a very well documented badge. Very well meaning documented and mentioned in more than one book. (Period as well as post war) In fact we even know which year, as well as which badge followed this one, and what it (both) was/were for. The owner of this badge even has the "next"(higher level) badge in his collection. Which i might add has been shown a few times before on this forum as has this one.
But, seeing as i only go after fakes, i shall retreat from this thread and let someone else provide the factual, background information. A new strategy of mine.
If you wont listen to me when i tell you something is fake, then why would you have cause to listen to the opposite.
Exactly, you wouldn't, and therefore, you go looking for your own answers.
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"Schwesternschaft vom Roten Hakenkreuz", founded in 1930 in Bavaria, a women's order.
Not much infomation I can give here... I hope, Jo will change his mind and give a bit more information here.
Kind regards, PeterComment
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Peter. The good comes with the bad. So logically, if nobody cares to regard anything i say when i tell them their item(s) are fake, then why would they be bothered to listen to the opposite?Originally posted by peterm View Post
Because the message is positive? Because i am filling in the gaps in their research with goodness, with nice words?
It would amount to me, once more wasting my time, trying to help people who do not have a decent word to say about me. (And i certainly do not want them to start replying to my posts now in 2015 simply because my answers agree with them, or support them on a thread where others have called their item fake)
Hells bells, if i support the fakes i expose using documented fact, and still the same people don`t give a toss to even reply, then what can i use to clarify a rare badge like this? History? The same history that these people don`t care about when the item is fake? they should care now because it makes the item real?
My sole reason for making the post i did, was to assist history, to help save a very rare badge from once more being called a fake / fantasy.
If the right people call a fake genuine, it becomes genuine regardless. The same applies to calling a rare badge a fake, or as on this thread, a fantasy.Comment
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I can understand Your frustration, Jo! On the other hand I REALLY like the flag and the badge posted (in well made pictures) here by Ron, I never had the opportunity to hold an original one in my hands.
Kind regards, PeterComment
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Since it is my badge and since my very good friend Ron was so kind as to post it (he is an excellent photographer), I guess it is my turn to give support to its originality. Jill Stephenson in her book "The Nazi Organisation of Women" Croom Helm, London, 1981, states on page 31 states "....Elsbeth Zander placed a higher value on the provision of sick bays and rest homes for SA men and the training of nurses of the order of the 'Red Swastika'--as opposed, presumably, to the Red Cross--in basic first aid, and there is no doubt that in 1927 and 1928, at least, this service was welcomed by the SA and the party generally." She continues on page 58: "And he (Gregor Strasser) also envisisaged the creation of a fully professional Party nursing organization which would bear the DFO's favoured designation 'Red Swastika'." Further on page 76: "For example, the proposed 'NS Nursing Corps of the Red Swastika' could provide employment for trained nurses in the Party's ranks, particularly with the requirement that Nazi doctors use 'NS Sisters' in their consulting rooms." And page 147: "The NSV was also assigned the sole right to organise a Party nursing corps, after Hess's announcement early in 1934 that all Nazi nursing groups, including the NSF's, were to be dissolved. The formation of groups of 'brown sisters' or of 'the red swastika'--redolent of Elsbeth Zander's notorious bands--was explicitly banned." Claudia Koonz also mentions the history of the Red Swastika in her book "Mothers in the Fatherland", Methuen, London,1987; but no need for further quotes. If I can persuade by friend Ron, he will post pictures of the 'Brown Helper' pin that was the successor to the Red Hakenkreuz. I hope this helps.Comment
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Mike,
Thank you very much for the information on this rare badge. Having never seen one before, it is a real treat to know about its history.
Bob HritzIn the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.Comment
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I agree--great information. I've never seen nor heard of this organization and don't remember running across it in my period SA research materials. Thanks to all for showing, verifying, and documenting these pieces.
ErichFestina lente!Comment
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Thanks a lot for the information! Much appreciared!Comment
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Thanks Jo for supporting originality.Comment
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Originally posted by Mijke View Post
On this site, there is a good reason mentioned as to how the "NS-own "hospitals" came to be, (the need for them) with the injured SA rather seeking "internal" medical aid for fear of the Police visiting the normal hospitals, as many of the fighting back in the mid`1920`s often ended with people being killed.
Yes the red badge is rare, but the brown ever rarer.Zwar entschieden seltener, denn die Justiz war dazumal auf dem rechten Auge blind, konnte es auch passieren, dass die Polizei in ähnlicher Manier die Rettungsstellen heimsuchte. Besonders dann, wenn es bei gewalttätigen Auseinandersetzungen Tote gegeben hatte. Daher suchten die SA-Leute, wenn sie selber verletzt wurden, nicht unbedingt gerne ein öffentliches Krankenhaus auf. So pflegten beispielsweise Krankenschwestern des „Deutschen Frauenordens“ in der Berlin-Schöneberger Kurfürstenstraße ihre braunen Straßenkämpfer in einem privat untergebrachten SA-Krankensaal wieder gesund. Auch in der Bärwaldstraße in Schöneberg gab es eine derartige SA-Krankenstation. Etliche Pflegekräfte stellten also von Anfang an ihre Arbeitskraft freiwillig und ungezwungen dem braunen Terror zur Verfügung
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Mike's Braune Helferin Badge
Really apologize for the poor photos........
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