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    HJ Proficiency Badge (Black) Double Marked??

    Hi guys,

    I saw an HJ Proficiency badge in black, listed on a dealer's website. The badge has both, a serial number and a "B" classification, on the reverse. Also the RZM mark appears to be stamped into the medal, not raised. Are there examples with both serial numbers and A,B, or C stampings? Please take a look and let me know what you think.

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d=230281&stc=1

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d=230282&stc=1
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    What you are refering to as a serial number is actual the RZM code number,
    M = metal, 1 = insignia, the number 35 = manufacture, in this case it's Wachtler & Lange, located in Mittweida. All the companies that held RZM permits to manufacture items for the NSDAP were allocated a code number.

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      #3
      What I'm referring to is the the serial number "50059" then a "B" to the top of the thyr rune. This, I believe is the number that was logged in the books. Usually there is not a "B" in conjuction with serial number. Hope this cleared-up my question. Thanks.

      Mark
      Last edited by mseagle; 01-10-2005, 03:51 PM.

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        Originally posted by mseagle
        What I'm referring to is the the serial number "50059" then a "B" to the top of the thyr rune. This, I believe is the number that was logged in the books. Usually there is not a "B" in conjuction with serial number. Hope this cleared-up my question. Thanks.

        Mark
        You're right - the "B" is to replace the serial number, indicating it was a second, duplicate or replacement badge, so there shouldn't be a serial number too. I'm starting to see a few with both number and the "B", making me think there is a new group of fakes making the rounds.

        The "B", RZM logo and M number should be raised in originals.

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          #5
          Thanks for your input. I had never seen both the serial number and the replacement letter, on the same badge. This badge is currently on Bill Shea's website. In my opinion, I give it the ! I would like to hear from some of the other members on this badge.

          Mark

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            HJ Proficiency Badge (Black) Double Marked??

            Mseagle
            Prime example of HJ Proficiency and its baby without serial number, both marked with RZM makers 72 and 34
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              HJ Proficiency Badge (Black) Double Marked??

              and the back
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                mseagle

                I agree with You, I want to give it the to !!

                A picture of one of mine RZM M1/101 with serial number

                Regards

                Rickard

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                  And the back

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                    Thanks for your post, Rickard. By the way, very nice badge you have there. I thought I would post one of mine, maker M1/101. Let me know what you think.

                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d=231809&stc=1

                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d=231810&stc=1
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                      Originally posted by mseagle
                      Let me know what you think.

                      I love it !!!!

                      Great badge, If You ever want to sell it, PLEASE send me a PM

                      Do You have any more with the same maker to show up ?


                      Regards


                      Rickard

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                        Rickard,


                        Thanks for the kind words. This is the only one I have of this maker. The condition of this medal is great. It looks even better in person. If I ever decide to sell it, I will let you know.

                        Best,

                        Mark

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