Not sure where to put this but look at this thread
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=79372
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=79372
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It is interesting that the cross is missing the wreath on the reverse. The marking L/58 was indeed Glaiser, but Souval then had it given to them. This they used after the war on their copys. Some think that they infact used the number at the wars end. -
I put this thread in the Crosses of the Wehrmacht as L/58 marked EK1's were discussed not so long ago. The conclusion was that they were original wartime crosses. It was also understood that it was Souval....It would be nice the find out a bit more about this confusion in the LDO numbers...ANymore comments from others?Originally posted by WARLORDComment
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Hasn't anyone got any further details about this confusion in the LDO numbers?Comment
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My sources say:Originally posted by TerryG
1. Tucker & Previtera "German Combat Badges of the Third Reich"
L/58 = Rudolf Souval (also maker mark 98)
L/22 = Glaser & Sohne, Dresden (also maker mark 53)*Partially licensed from the LDO allowed to market a limited line of awards*
2. Gordon Williamson's "Iron Cross of 1939"
L/58 = Rudolf Souval, Wien (also maker mark 98)
L/22 = Glaser & Sohne, Dresden (also maker mark 53)
3. Previtera's "The Iron Time"
L/58 = Glaser & Sohn, Dresden (also maker marked 53)
L/22 = Rudolf Souval, Wien (also maker marked 98)
4. John Angolia's "For Fuhrer and Fatherland"
L/58 = Rudolf Souval, Wien (also maker marked 98)
Maker Mark 53 = Glaser & Sohne, Dresden
NOTE* On page 429 he states:
"Some firms were required to enter the LDO, awarded an L-number, dropped out for some reason, and re-entered at a later date with a completely new L-number"Comment
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Ldo Numbers
I ran into this thread when doing some research on LDO numbers and have found that if, for any reason, a manufacturer either lost his LDO number or failed to renew it during a year, he was issued a new number. These were issued on a yearly basis and MANY manufacturers changed numbers at some point during the Third Reich. AS I remember William Stumpf and, I believe Jack Angolia had discussed this at some point in the past in correspondence with me.
Ron Weinand
Weinand MilitariaComment
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Rudolf Souval was #1 in the world of fakers (sorry J. Floch). I'm flabbergasted to see that so few individuals are game to discuss this matter. What I've seen so far haven't convinced me i.g. some vague reference to a newspaper-ad or a double-marked badge. If Glaser indeed had L/58 as their L-# (as indicated by Warlord), what decorations can be contributed to them?
I like to point out that I don't have a firm opinion in this matter. But in order to get one I definately need more input. When I started collecting 30 years ago, reference-books were the source of information. Nowdays the Internet have changed all that and new opinions have become the "truth", i.g. rounded R.S. is now kosher. I'm not in a position to argue over this specific issue and there is probably a perfectly good reason for this consensus. But like I said, I need more information.
KR
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As far as my references above, it is strange to see only 1 book (that I have read) state that Glaser actually had L/58.Originally posted by Peter J.
Note John Angolia did make the statement that L/* numbers did change owners if one manufacturer lost / or did not renew his contract for whatever reason.
If that logic is true, and ASSUMING (and we know what that means), Rudolf Souval had at one time L/22, they would have had to lose it to get a higher number i.e. L/58 ... correct?
Did Glaser originally have L/58, then lose it, only to have that number taken over by Souval?
Are there any Souval pieces attributed to L/22? Are there any Glaser pieces attributed to L/58?
Very interesting.Comment
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