i have two piece. original ? and how many price?
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there was a large hoard found in Germany a year or two ago. This looks like a pair from the hoard... Price?, Many variables involved. In America, I've seen them for $80. I've seen them for $200.Comment
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yes in Pforzheim , shame all are pure crap / reproductions!Originally posted by Gaspare View Post
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hh18,, I'd like to see any source material you have relating to the hoard being fakes..Comment
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search this very forum then, they have already been discussed here....Originally posted by Gaspare View Post
just look at the quality of the enamel ones
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All that was said was one collector accusing a group of criminals etc, something like that. Nothing substantial..
On another forum the same collector 'assured' me that there was never , not even a trial set of cufflinks that were party pins. They were never produced nor even thought of being made,,party pin cufflinks were an impossibility!..
Well afterwards I did a little investigating of my own..
I am friendly with the collector who bought a portion of the hoard and knew the finders. What most don't know that along with the cufflinks were several pair of unfinished pairs,,known period made stick pins and also unfinished pieces.
Yes they are low quality, some down right ugly. Guess that's why the Germans called them kitch [if spelling correct] and also why later on when the Nazis were secured in their power they made laws forbidding use of the party symbols to be used on jewelry. But made they were.
You might not like them but their period. As far as the cufflink party pins?,,I own a pair from the hoard I bought to study,I'm happy with them, especially after I found a period photo of them being offered for sale.Comment
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Gaspare, so the warning about this apparent Pforzheim hoard that is found in-print, in the 2013 - Party Badge book - is rubbish?
The warning about the amount of fake cuff links that entered our hobby in late 2008 i included for fun?
We saw them start at 29.99 - 39.99 a pair in late 2008, and now WEITZE lists one for 200 and they are real?
You should read this book Gaspare, especially the opening quote:
It is easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that they have been fooled.
In any case, i am certain that the 8 years of research put into The Party Badge Book, as well as the forensic studies presented within are more than enough to show the readers that they cannot possibly be real. Gaspare, do not forget now that the 520 page Party Badge book - is all about Party Badges, in every form they took, from late 1920 until late 1944! It is not a picture book about uniforms with a sentence about fake cuff links somewhere, it is dedicated ONLY to the Party Badge. The actual title is; The Party Badge, An Advanced Study Of The NSDAP Membership Badge.
It is not a Gottlieb or Ailsby images-and-no-facts book, it has more footnotes than you can shake a stick at, more detailed research into this area of our hobby than has ever been attempted before. I have too much invested in that book to allow you or anyone else to piss on it in the manner you are here, by not reading it, not even acknowledging the book or research presented within it, and instead by doing your utmost to cling to the 7 YEAR OLD myth that these are real. They are not genuine. I dont need to prove it, i already did in the book, but if needs be, i can prove it forensically, which would be accepted in court i am sure.
You see the difference Gaspare? I am not just standing here with my ××× in-hand shouting out to others what i would like them to hear and indeed hear myself, i have many years of research - much of it is detailed forensic research - to assist me - into this exact niche, these exact items, Party Badges.
In short, stop talking rubbish, or, read the Party badge book and prove to me (with more than words) why my research is wrong and why your blabbering is right. Until then, say no more because i certainly will not keep quiet about something like this, that attacks the integrity of my latest book, my latest research and favors opinion over it? and favors opinion over it? No, i cannot and will not, allow this to happen.Comment
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Originally posted by Gaspare View PostGaspare, this sick sentence is supposed to reassure? If you know someone that knows "them" then surely this friend of yours will be aware of the books that the "them" have written of late, in particular the 2012 book Frauen im Dritten Reich. Yes? Surely, this good friend of yours, could show us the image of this hoard, that appears on the bottom left of page 59 - of the above mentioned book? Yes? Or is it not only The Party Badge book that has...yet to be read?What most dont know?Comment
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Jo.,,sorry not so interested in the party pin,,didn't read the book..
The hoard my German friend bought some of was from 2011. Cufflinks, stic pins, etc. The examples he's shown or owns so far I've identified most in period adverts. The metal is fine, the enamel is fine.
I was assured on another forum now 'gone' I believe that during the 3rd reich period no one made party pin cufflinks. I took it on faith yes he must be correct he's a party pin guy.. All I'm saying is since then I've seen one period ad and dug out another on my own.
Jo, its a forum here. to debate and trade information. 'Sick sentence,piss on, ass in hand'. I don't know,,for me uncalled for.. I'm just writing what I found..Comment
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sorry the ''hoard'' is not real......Originally posted by Gaspare View Post
original enamel party cufflinks and chain pendants etc is known and has been known for many a year!! i have a few different sets aswell as a few singles i even have matching tie pin etc
please prove this hoard?
your just as duped as the last man , it shows clearly you do not know this type of item!
if it makes you feel any better mr bob coleman says last year that even enamel party badge cufflinks was is a wild idea and wouldnt be period because they would chip etc now does this mean he was right? i dont think so.
please throw some water on your face and try to wake up
the items you show have been sold through a militaria company auction in germany for a pittance over the last few years , why i wonder if they are ''originals'' truth is if this hoard was real and the items period then most of the big names would have got them and would have been cooing over them and selling them not just weitze
did i or any other poster come here to say they were not original for nothing?? just to piss you off?
come on man
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I'm not pissed off,,I have no stake in this.. I acquired a pair a couple years ago to study because the photos sent me were crappy. Not a great amount of money was spent believe me...
I figured that IF those saying Party Pin cufflinks were never made [and they are wrong] then there is a good chance these cufflinks could be good.
I wrote a message to the German fellow who bought a small amount of pieces. I am waiting his reply.
I'd love to read Jo's book. Just can't spend that right now to check out that section about all this. [lost home and 40 yr collection in a flood a while ago].
Hopefully I have a friend that has the book and will let me give it a read. I take as much information as I can and process. I like to learn like everyone else from others findings. You writing to 'wake up', duped etc. and naming names that don't mean anything to me isn't providing nor sharing information that will help out here..Comment
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so you bought these to study? you have originals to compare to in hand? party cufflinks? in enamel?Originally posted by Gaspare View PostComment
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