Did it ever exist? No words on front, silver with no maker mark on reverse- only hitlers signature- supposedly a personal gift to friends?
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This is researched by Jo Rivett (author of the Party Badge book) No, it did not exist. It's a Post War invention.
I did read in a biography of Eva Braun that Hitler gave such a badge to her. But I guess it is speculation without any proof. Also the awards in question look not that big quality you would expect from something that rare and exlusive.
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Thanks, Wim!
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he blinded me with science!
I am sure there is a perfectly scientific explanation for this one then.Originally posted by Wim Vangossum View Post
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Hi WimOriginally posted by Wim Vangossum View Post
Indeed, so much so that i dedicated a whole chapter to this "post war invention"
Tracked it from it`s entry into the hobby in 1968, right the way through to 2010, and observed how it changes owners, changes names, changes material, changes finish, changes actual use... changes price
And observed who had been supporting it, and claiming that it was genuine. (Same few English and American names)
Unfortunately, though, as you will no doubt have read on the Broadsword Militaria Forum recently, Christopher Ailsby has "awoken" this badge, along with the Silver GPB. And along with invented "evidence" is once more pushing forward on their authenticity
There is also one up for sale right now, for €4500.- There is no point even trying to discuss this on a public forum inhabited by trolls, dealer-shills and plain hateful individuals (Muppets), everything that needs to be said, has been said in the last chapter of the PB book
If there is anyone out there who does not agree with the last chapter of the Party Badge book (where this badge and these people are taken apart) Then i am sure they will be able to offer up some of their own research, and documented evidence dating back further than the 1960`s, to support their "support for certain individuals and certain items"Comment
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Unity Mitford
I would really like to know what type of NSDAP badge Unity Mitford wore?Comment
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The only photo known of her showing a badge that is clearly recognizable, is a NUN ERST RECHT BADGE.Originally posted by Kyle Harrington View PostComment
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but, but, you're a troll. And a shill.... Very scientific.
Saying that those are fakes because some dealer 70 years later is trying to sell a similar one that is a crude reproduction is like saying the Wright Brothers never flew because some idiot in a batman suit jumped off the top of his hut, ending up in tears and with a brain damage (fear not- he survived and is playing with a keyboard and a microscope but that's another story).
I wouldn't necessary call those pins 'silver party badges', just like I wouldn't call regular GPB's 'tombak party badges' but the evidence of their existence is there. From more than one source. With similar (but not the same) inventory admission dates.
Who knows, maybe at some point, someone with knowledge, will write on the subject, pushing aside the African Shaman approach. Sadly, that day is not here yet.
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At least three different archival sources list the pictorial evidence showing those, on inventory going back to as far as 1945. At least one assigns the images as being authored by Hoffmann- as posted above.Originally posted by Jo Rivett View PostHi Wim
Indeed, so much so that i dedicated a whole chapter to this "post war invention"
Tracked it from it`s entry into the hobby in 1968,
A whole chapter, huh? No wonder you're gonna claim they never existed. That's a lot of re-writing.
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The first place I saw reference to this "Silver Party Badge" with the AH facsimile signature on its reverse is on p.67 of "Orders, Decorations, medals and Badges of the Third Reich" by David Littlejohn and Col. C.M. Dodkins, published in 1968, which I presume is the origin of Jo's reference in his Note #6 below. The book shows both the obverse and the reverse of this piece, and the pin structure is identical to the one in Notes 4 and 5 below.
As an additional comment, the photo of AH at the bottom of p.67 in this book is captioned: "Adolf Hitler wore party badge number 7"...hhhhmmmmm?????
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I have this book as well, that's where I saw it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the authors state that it's possible it never existed...(better go get my copy and check). However it was stated, it only fueled in me an intense need to know here...especially considering all that's been posted so far! I don't recall the party badge #7 comment, but now I've got to go see that page again...curious stuffOriginally posted by Br. James View Post
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It is stated that it is possible the statutes for this badge never existed. Not the badges themselves. The badges are very real indeed. At least IMO.
There is a picture that shows rather clearly Mitford wearing such a badge with no inscription as well.
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I have some questions:Originally posted by Matthew View Post
- Do you own Rivett's book? If not, are you aware of the content of pages 506-512?
- Are you currently attempting to engage with (F)ailsby over on Broadsword in an attempt to get him to support your position? He can't. Do you see any footnotes in his party awards book?
- Do you own one of these badges? If so, is that your motivation for the constant attempts to belittle any opinions that might devalue your investment?
- Are you surprised, given your performance in this thread and another, that you have been given a dose of cold-shoulder? If I wanted something from someone, I wouldn't go about doing that by shouting and throwing teddy bears. You haven't ruined this thread to the extent that you did the other one but nevertheless, it is dead and I for one would love to have seen it develop.
Currently you are smashing away at a cheap and flimsy padlock with a jackhammer and have failed to notice that the box is already open. You appear only to have one piece of "evidence" and that is the convenient photograph. Other than that you are floundering and getting angrier by the minute. Where is YOUR proof for your position that the silver badge is from the period? You are very vocal in your bad-tempered demands for proof from others but where is YOURS? Where is YOUR research? You're not going to quote Klietmann and (F)ailsby as your star witnesses surely...Comment
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Originally posted by Röhm1929 View Post
Oh, you have questions, do you?
No, I don't own his book, nor have I ever read it. Don't know why really, but I was never big on fiction novels.
Do I try to get Ailsby to agree with my position? What position is that? That his badge is not a genuine one? Not my problem really, it is not in my collection but I did voice my concerns with his piece being called what he calls them.
No, unfortunately I do not, nor have I ever owned one of those badges. The ones available for sale- I'm not crazy about, and the ones I like are not for sale- go figure!
I am not surprised with his approach. What else could he do to even partially save face? If archival facts are not 'meat' these days then we all should worry. Pretty soon the knowledge will have to be monopolized to those with microscopes and bad attitude.
I see you are pretty vocal about your buddy there, but instead of shooting your mouth over the screen, you should either bring something constructive to the discussion or perhaps sit this one out? I understand you're a previously banned member who came back under a different name and as such attaching photos is not that feasible but perhaps linking them to help with your side of the story (whatever that might be) would be another avenue to get your point across?
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