German Stickpin. Anyone recognize the letters or the symbol above them?
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It's a logo of Turner-Bund or Gymnastics Federation.
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Thank you, that helps. Any idea as to the letters? STD? SED? Also, I'm guessing it's post war due to the non swastika like cross.Originally posted by Matthew View PostLast edited by dirtfisherrob; 08-04-2014, 03:45 PM.Comment
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Just a guess on the letters,- I have no idea what the S is for, but possibly the T is for Turner, & maybe the V is for Verein. ? However the symbol you call the non-swastika like cross is not a cross at all,- it is the 4 "F's" in a back-to-back configuration, being a motto of the Turnerverein, standing for Frisch, Froh, Fromm & Frei,- Fresh, Happy, Pious, & Free.Comment
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The actual motto of the Tunverein members is "Frisch, fromm, fröhlich frei"
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisch,...ei_(Wahlspruch)
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Yes, I have read this. My research shows it is sometimes referred to as an Athletics cross, or Turner's cross (Turnerkreuze) which is why I did the same. I also found that this symbol has been in use since around 1861 when the org. was founded by Carl MahsmannOriginally posted by Silesien View Post
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de@atlx1.htmlhttp://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de@dtbax.html
The Swastika like version I was referring to is shown with curved arms on the F letters as it appears in the background of this postcard-
I found this interesting.... Another version that still stands today in the district of Hamburg Eimsbuettel is shown here-
http://www.zeit.de/sport/2010-11/etv...euz-geschichte
Silesien, the letters are definitely STV then? Maybe the S stands for Schöningen, the city it was founded in? As in Schöningen Turn-Verein? Here is an informative link as to the history of the org.- http://www.mtv-schoeningen.de/Histor...storisches.htm
Thank you Gerdan and Silesien for the added information.Last edited by dirtfisherrob; 08-05-2014, 06:59 AM.Comment
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hey there Guys
arround the first nedle its a very nice original one, and a early one too
the postcard is a real rattler
then it must be from atleast 1910 and forward, is there a year printed on the reverse ? even missuse of the runes is present 
well well well they know it now....
Arround the organisation and how it was made then we are hopefully talking arround the very same organisation called DTB founded in 1848 on the 1st German Turntag in Hanau ( Brother grimm city ). The first German Gymnastics Festival was held in 1860 in Coburg and its here the history takes its beginning. The organisation has its idealism in friedrich ludwig jahn also called even today for Turnvater. But your right in that Carl marshmann was the founder of DTB but only for the salty city of Schöningen.
The evolution of Nationalism ( later social nationalism ) is very hard to find, also becurse the dokumentation is fading out moving back on the timeline and is more or less to find in behavior and glorification then in papers that dosent excist.
jahn is most likely not only the father of DTB but he deffently also had a masive impact on the view arround nationalism and germanisation through fysical traning, he was quite a figure in this part. jahn was imo a fullblood nazi often in dispute whit the public arround racial behavior, a very hard man living in US and THEM and he had quit a succes in that, we see that in the very meny umbrella organisation that leads to the final national socialism. when i studdy jahn and what goal ( ziel ) this man had in life then it begingns to be a quite intresting reading. jahn was a soldier in the napolions wars and was also on the loosers side, in wich as we have seen later too, not particular happy arround that. Ill guess the napolion soldiers was pretty hard on them becurse he became a pretty hard man after that whit very strong antisemetic opinions and starting living his life on a germanic way, so the buildup of nationalism or the roots can be traced back to the napolion wars, funny right
and when i see in the german archives i can see that he did something arround it and is quit intresting, On 13 November, 1810 Jahn founded with 11 friends in the Hasenheide in Berlin the secret German Confederation Deutschen Bund to liberation and unification of Germany. From the long walks that took Jahn with his students, eventually developed regular gymnastics. On 19 June 1811 he began at the junction of School and group of friends with the public Gymnastics. So the Hasenheide was the first German gymnasium, equipped with devices along the lines of GutsMuths. Also came from the physical exercises, called the Jahn gymnastics, modeled GutsMuths, but Jahn said with gymnastics the totality of all physical exercises: exercises devices were developed and supplemented by games, swimming, fencing, and hiking.
So a real national drill sargent he was
... bastard.. So basicly as i see the history we are talking on the first model of nazism ( pre nazism ) wich later was coppyed by hitler where he eanailated his enemys , polished it and made it his own. its also intresting view on how nationalism is fighting nationalism and can only be equal whit selfdestruction.
The symbolism whitin the early swastica badges ( the fyrfos model ) is the Gau Lower Austria 1888 organiced by the "Aryan paragraph" of the First Viennese gymnastics club takes over German Gymnastics (DT) in its statutes, it is excluded from the rich German DT. Thereupon, the district combined with the "Jew-free" gymnastics clubs of northern Bohemia in 1889 with the German Gymnastics Federation (DTB). The radical anti-Semitic attitude finds its symbolic expression in the DTB-Federal badge - a double swastika, which was designed in 1909
and 1910 is officially launched.
well i did made a thread long time ago arround Gau Lower Austria 1888 the umbrella organisations that was directional connected whit the nazis and a "mirror of the partei " in wich you can read here, sadly i didnt finnished it becurse of personaly offending disputes but the history is very much true :
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=523890
well heres a coupple of the early swastica badge wich i have in my Collection, i do have more but they are connected to something else so... yer what a mess.
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Thank you for the added information. So you think the stickpin is Imperial or Reichswehr era then?
The postcard has a date of 1926. It is not mine though. I should have posted the link to it- http://david-vitale.tumblr.com/post/...rd-of-deutscheComment
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heya mate
yes your needle will be between 1925-30 after that things became more complicated.
yer i see the reverse pk and yes 26 was a timeperiod where the german people was in some sort of identety cricis where the need of idealism was on high priority both for the people but also for the comming rulers the nazis, the wounds by a lost war + the follwing depression for meny years created this.
i see on the revers that the Arminius badge is presented too, Arminius also known as Armin or Hermann was a chieftain of the Germanic Cherusci who defeated 3 Roman legions in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, after that The Romans were to make no more concerted attempts to conquer and permanently hold Germania beyond the river Rhine.
as the nazi made there ideols so did the pre nazism too, and he was one of these.
the arminius badge :
the denkmal :
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Thanks again for the detailed information and may I add, that is a very nice collection of badges you have.
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hey there mate, no probs and thanks for the nice Words, its always a pleasure to help out if i can
cheers mate
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