Hello folks. Seems the jury's forever out w/ these things, but since I found this amongst a mixed lot of cloth and badges lately, I thought I'd toss it out to the forum for some feedback, if any is forthcoming. The ENTIRE piece is non-magnetic (including the pin), and it has the "Hermann Aurich" (H.A) motif, as well as the "Ges. Gesch." (Gestalt Geschuetzt) markings on the reverse. It appears to be perhaps brass, or zinc with a gilt wash, and truth be told, I find the non-magnetic pin / catch assembly a bit bizarre as well. There's also a goodly amount of verdigris present. I'm chalking it up to a repro, however would appreciate some feedback by those of you who might be more familiar w/ the original and repop examples of this particular badge. Thanks in advance for any help. A few pix below.
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Hi,
It's not good, only the bakalite ones are originals.
These are not as tricky as you would expect, but ti takes a little time to read up on all the topics. Once you know the originals it's not that hard to spot them.
best regards,
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Thanks for commenting. That's a first...I've heard others say that only the aluminum ones are real? (or other "lightweight" metal). Don't think I've seen a bakelite example yet. Interesting.Comment
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Without a doubt the Hermann Aurich example posted above is not a genuine period example. However genuine zinc examples were manufactured. Below is a genuine zinc example of the BadgeOriginally posted by jabnus View Post
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much of the original silver finish remains to the reverse of the Badge
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can anyone post a picture of a bakelite version?
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Below for comparrison I have posted an example of another Badge which is a genuine zinc Badge and as one can see it has the identical silver finish to the reverse
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As one can see the silver finish that remains to the reverse of the badge below is identical to the Volkswagen example posted above
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Hello Brian, the type not manufactured from zinc are not actually Bakelite they are plastic ....... as I recall examples exist in Red, Blue, White and Green and are a completely diffent design. I do not have examples of the plastic ones as the quality is so poor I always sell them on, however I am sure someone on the forum will have an example.Originally posted by BROBS View Post
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The Aluminium are fakes it is the zinc examples that are genuine, your quite correct though the other type are plastic not Bakelite.Originally posted by Milton View PostComment
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Hi,
Bakelite/Bakelit is plastic, a very special early plastic; hard but brittle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakelite
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Martin Harding: the badge you show in post #4 + 5 has the correct design, however i had not seen it before in zinc??? I wonder why (if original?) it was made also in inferior zinc (and is less known?), personnaly i would stick to the bakelite ones.
I dont understand what the use is of posting the Kreistag Wetterau badge? It is "just" another zinc badge with some silver colour remaining on the reverse. I suppose i could post a dozen (or two or three) similar badges, but using and comparing this badge to an original VW badge is the same as using a wooden whw tinnie to authenticate a bloodorder?
I think you confuse the coloured pastic badges like e.g the "NSDAP Oberdonau 1939" badges (just do a google search for this term) with the bakelite VW badges of the same design as you posted in post #4 + 5. The original VW badges (besides the zinc then?) are 100% sure made from bakelite. If i remember well this can also be tested by rubbing the surface a bit with your thumb and then smell the badge.Originally posted by Martin Harding View Post
best regards,
GastonComment
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Definately not aluminium, but yes the original bakelite ones are lightweight indeed. The design should be similar to the zinc design Martin Harding posted. Avoid ANY other design!!! If you keep this in mind it pretty simple to see that the dozens of other designs that are on the market are not good. Although with the desirablity of this badge in mind it's a matter of time before the fakers start making badges in this design too (if not already!).Originally posted by Milton View Post
best regards,
GastonComment
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[QUOTE=jabnus;6524323]Martin Harding: the badge you show in post #4 + 5 has the correct design, however i had not seen it before in zinc??? I wonder why (if original?) <<<<<< because it is rare and seldom encountered hence only an advanced collector could appreciate this fact it was made also in inferior zinc (and is less known?) <<<< incorrect totally many Third reich badges were made of zinc personnaly i would stick to the bakelite ones. <<<<< actually they are plastic.........bakelite is a type of Plastic only copyrighted bakelite (named after Leo Baekland) is actually bakelite
I dont understand what the use is of posting the Kreistag Wetterau badge? It is "just" another zinc badge with some silver colour remaining on the reverse. <<<<< to prove that the Volkswagen badge is authentic by showing another period zinc badge for comparrison I suppose i could post a dozen (or two or three) similar badges, but using and comparing this badge to an original VW badge is the same as using a wooden whw tinnie to authenticate a bloodorder?<<<<<< no need for such sarcasm if you actually read what i have put above all would be explained to you ....... sarcasm and always thinking one is correct is no substitute for knowledge !
I think you confuse the coloured pastic badges like e.g the "NSDAP Oberdonau 1939" badges (just do a google search for this term) with the bakelite VW badges of the same design as you posted in post #4 + 5. The original VW badges (besides the zinc then?) are 100% sure made from bakelite. If i remember well this can also be tested by rubbing the surface a bit with your thumb and then smell the badge. <<<<< there is no need for all that .......when one has dealt in Antiques for nearly 40 years one can tell the difference between bakelite and plastic for one thing genuine baklite is usually marked as can be seen from the reverse of the Badge pictured belowComment
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I best point out Gaston I have posted the Badge below for comparrsion, albeit it may be a Badge you have not encountered before as like the zinc version of the Volkswagen Badge they are only usually known to the advanced collector
Obverse of the Bakelite example (reverse shown above)Comment
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