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**RonR** · 03-15-2014, 02:00 PM

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**Mike TM** · 03-15-2014, 04:49 PM

Very nice piece

Mike

**burgerhaus** · 03-15-2014, 04:54 PM

Especially nice to see one with a little wear. Ron, I know I have said this before but you are a tremendous asset to this forum and one that would truly deserve a lifetime membership!! THANK YOU

**Scott C.** · 03-15-2014, 07:45 PM

Nice little gathering there Bob!

**Peter J.** · 03-15-2014, 07:45 PM

I agree with the others, thanks for posting it. I would greatly appreciate if someone could elaborate a bit further on these stickpins, as I've read contradictive information.

Ron, from what I read the version with the blue balloon was worn for a very short period (Jan-March 1933) by the members of Deutscher Luftfahrt Verband, but had the arrows also on blue, rather than black. The 1929 version of the same stickpin had the balloon in white with red arrows. The edge of the badge was jagged. This version was also worn by the members of the Deutscher Luftsportverband, which was instituted in 1933. Hüsken accounts for 3 versions of Ballon badges, including the 1932 oval version. Your pin features black wings, hence the question remains, are there 4 versions?

cheers
Peter

**Peter J.** · 03-18-2014, 05:20 PM

Too advanced a question

**Lyn Islaub** · 03-19-2014, 10:08 PM

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Peter,
There is also the version that is gold in overall color with the balloon in red. This version also has the jagged outer edge. It is smaller in diameter than the one shown here and I'll try and post a picture of it.
Lyn

**Giel VW** · 03-20-2014, 04:38 AM

Also worth saying is that these pins not only exist in 3 grades but also with and without swastika!

**Peter J.** · 03-21-2014, 01:00 PM

Lyn, I'm looking forward to see that photo

cheers
Peter

**Jo Rivett** · 04-12-2015, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Giel VW View Post

Also worth saying is that these pins not only exist in 3 grades but also with and without swastika!

Boris-the-animal never sleeps, so it seems.
I recently came to be the proud owner of three, one i have eaten, two i have and could look at. They are a joke, in-hand as well as under the lupe.

I know it wont interest anyone, Giel had one listed on his site for sale, and many other dealers have them listed too, up to €400 asking price, for post war rubbish. It must be, must stay - business as usual, i understand that, and i get that that is what fuels a lot of the hate, directed towards my good self and thats I.O. But sooner or later, the penny is going to drop. Sooner or later a few gifted souls will connect the dots, it will happen, of this i am sure.

The Boris-quality, and sickly yellow-patina can be found on many of these post war inventions, if only eyes were open.

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**Gary Symonds** · 04-12-2015, 04:47 PM

Well guys, Rivett has now outed the DLV stickpins. He is on a roll. What is his evidence, "Boris-the-animal" says so. Well, that proves it folks!

Let's see, he has claimed that the Hoffstatter SS civil stickpins with raised maker marks are fake. His next target was the Kindeschar membership stickpins with raised RZM mark and full M1/63 marks are fake.

As to the SS stickpins not a shread of objective evidence has he posted, which he has in his possession for 2 months, courtesy of me.

As to the kiddie pins he shows an enlargement of the number "3" as part of maker "63" and tells us the font in the fully marked badge's reverse, don't match the "original" badge w/o full markings. As if a new reverse die from M1/63, Steinhauser and Luck, was impossible and out of the question, because he says so.

Today, in the Police forum he hit the aircraft workers merit badge with raised marks. Made in the good old US of A. No evidence needed folks.

What's next? Well, I'll tell you friends, it is going to be HJ Gold Honor pins marked M1/70, with raised RZM marks, with membership numbers.

How do I know? Jo told me in a private email late last year that he believed the M1/70s were all fake. When I sent Jo Rivett in Switzerland my two raised Hoff SS pins, I also sent him, among other stickpins and badges, my M1/70, asking him evidence of "micro-paina" per his book. Let's see, he had all of my pins and badges for only 2 months. Still waiting.

So, guys, those of you who thought your HJ M1/70s are original are going to be in a for a rude surprise.

And remember as in the SS stickpin thread, when he makes the claim about the M1/70s being all "fake" just sitck your heads in the sand and don't demand that Rivett show the evidence of my M1/70, with or without "micro-patina," let alone the raised Hoffs, with or without "micro-patina."

After all, it is in his book, mankind was introduced to "micro-patina."

**Jo Rivett** · 04-12-2015, 05:07 PM

Continuing from post 11.
A few of the American made fakes discussed of recent.
I dont favor a comparison of small images myself, but once you know what you are doing, and what you are looking at, it becomes pretty easy to track Boris around.

Unfortunately, Boris is but one player in the game. These fakes are so laughably fake, that they expose themselves under the lupe instantly, with their robot-cut bubble-bubble lettering , fake patinas, abysmal gilding - or attempt at. In some cases the robot-cut is seen on the obverse as well.
For readers of the 2013 Party Badge book, you will recognize these features in the fake Deutschland Erwache badge on the obverse as well.

It is a sorry state indeed, if we are even arguing about these, easy to see, fakes. There are much more dangerous ones, done with the correct materials, and correct tooling. Very old ones, made by people who were making items during that time, and not who were using completely different tooling.

That is what the Toys-r-us robot-cut is all about, the use of different tooling, nothing to do with Americans as people, just the tooling, era, usw. Just clear that up before someone takes that to heart.

**Jo Rivett** · 04-13-2015, 03:54 AM

Selective Blindness

HOLY MOLEY... Gary, when i log in i cant read your posts, but someone pointed me to your recent one above, and said i should read it.

Unfortunately the M1/70 HJ Ehrenzeichen you sent me, is fake. Another collector sent me his, M1/70 at the same time as you sent yours, so i had two examples to inspect, and compare against a few genuine badges made by M1/49-M1/120-M1/78.
Research was carried out already, and yes, you are sadly correct, ALL, HJ Ehrenzeichen marked M1/70, are reproductions, not real, post war, fake.. a joke.

Here, is an MSC of the RZM logo found on your M1/70 marked badge - BORIS returns, with his robot-cutter. It is not rocket science Gary, the differences between genuine tooling, genuine materials, genuine RZM logos versus Boris-the-animal and his robot cutter - are as plain to see as broad daylight!

Gary, if you wont believe me, thats OK, i dont take anything in this hobby personally, water off my back mate, water off my back. What you could, consider doing, is taking similar images, just of the RZM logos from original badges, and building a library for yourself. You would have a section of "This is what good looks like under magnification" and "This is what Boris looks like"

But, you need to really start doing "something", because words alone, will get you nowhere in a serious debate.

**Gregorio Torres** · 04-13-2015, 09:44 AM

I have one of these DLV badges in my collection, so I´m not very happy when these are put under a red flag, but, I allways was reluctant about this one.
This pin sistem for a "heavy" and on the other way very well done badge, no period pictures of this badge in use, no existence of references of this badge in old text books or collections, and the great number of these items in the market when supously they must be very scarce and were used only for 2-3 months... are things that make me feel not very confortable with this.
Now, hearing to Jo and comparing pictures of reverses of another fakes from Boris,... SADLY... I must say I don´t want my badge in my collection. 200 euros fly, but I´m happy seeing that my sixth sense still works.

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