enamelled shield-shaped RAD badge?

[ben baars]

hello fellow collectors!!

Lately I saw a badge that looked like the middle part of an enamelled RAD-cap insigna (red rim, white background and in it a black swastica;
however it had no ears aside and no stalk, so just an enamelled shield.
Backside letters in rectangle PS ,under LINZ A.D and rzm mark.

Heavy pinconstruction with hinge above and catch under at the point of the shield;it has to be wear point down.
The production stampline aside was not interrupted and there were no traces of filing ;so it was not an amputated RAD badge without ears.
Who knows this badge?
MfG Ben

[Don Scowen]

Is this the type you are talking about? http://www.collectorscommunity.net/i...?showtopic=633

No idea whether it's kosher or not though, sorry. I must admit I don't like the RZM mark.

cheers
Don

[Richardxyz]

I'm by no means an authority but it looks very close in appearance to the shovel head element of an enamelled RAD cap insignia except inverted. I can't post a picture but after looking closely at one in my collection the red enamelling looks strikingly similar. On the cap badge the spade handle joins the spade head around the middle of the flat edge of the head, can you see any signs of filing as I would imagine this would have a rougher edge. Just a thought, could be a one off badge/pin made from leftover RAD cap insignia.

[sjl]

RAD insignia should never be RZM marked. They were outside the RZM's jurisdiction.

I would say definitely a fake.

[Richardxyz]

That's a good point

RAD insignia should never be RZM marked. They were outside the RZM's jurisdiction.

I would say definitely a fake.

[sjl]

I should also mention that if it is not RAD the RZM mark is still wrong. If the maker is in Linz, Austria was annexed in 1938 and the RZM system of numbering was finalized in March 1935, yet there is no "M1" number here.

Badges for Nazi-type foreign organizations (Dutch, Slovak, etc) were also not under RZM jurisdiction, as they only controlled the insignia of the "militant" or "close" NSDAP formations in Germany.

[DanCz]

Ben,

I know this badge well - - it was produced in the early mid eighties. Although very well made it is a complete fantasy piece. I have not seen them for a while but it sounds as tho they are re-appearing in the market.

Dan

[paul a]

These were around in the UK late 1970s i think a guy called Tony Oliver had them made along with many other badges

[ben baars]

enamelled shield-shaped RAD badge?

Thank you all for your info about this insigna; it's indeed simular as in Don's link.

MfG Ben

[ben baars]

enamelled shield-shaped RAD badge?

Fake or not.What might be the capitals PS on the backside? Could it be a compensation or instead for M/1..?
MfG Ben

[sjl]

Fake or not.What might be the capitals PS on the backside? Could it be a compensation or instead for M/1..?
MfG Ben

I assume the PA is supposed to be a maker name.

The very briefly used precursor to "M1" was "MA" for "Metallabzeichen". It was only in use between the very end of 1934 and March 1935. Again, even if they used the right letters, too early for anything from Linz.

[James Noble]

I assume the PA is supposed to be a maker name.

The very briefly used precursor to "M1" was "MA" for "Metallabzeichen". It was only in use between the very end of 1934 and March 1935. Again, even if they used the right letters, too early for anything from Linz.

Why do you say it's to early for anything from Linz? As there isn't anything on this badge to indicate with it was supposedly manufactured.