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    Gau Decorations Book- Wartheland in Diamonds

    I was just flipping through Craig's book, doing some research on Gau Wartheland Badges and came across chapter of that award 'in diamonds'. As usual I have a question or two and I am hoping someone here (or maybe Craig?) can answer them.
    Ok- to start- picture on page 191- front and back of the "Godet" badge with 'circle. K logo of Prof. Richard Klein (picture 1).
    To the best of my limited knowledge Richard Klein who designed a plethora of German Awards had a logo (or a way to mark some of his works) but it was NOT a 'circle K'. It was rather a stylized RK for Richard Klein (picture 2).
    There was a company that marked their products (NOT designs) with 'circle K' logo but it was Otto Klein of Hanau (picture 3). If one looks close enough it is plainly visible that the logo on the 'Godet' badge is that of Otto Klein (the manufacturer)- break in the 'circle' at 3 o'clock for Otto Klein is there as well just like on their OSDs.
    BTW- Richard Klein did not design Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds as it is claimed (page 190). That design was based on a set of regular oaks (drilled) which were designed nearly 80 years before he was even born. And OSD's were made by OTTO Klein (of Hanau)
    And here is my question- how is it possible that a badge that was found in a Hitler's safe AND inside its original fitted box (page 193) marked for Godet (the box that is) to be marked for OTTO Klein- a company nowhere close to Godet? It's not like they swapped parts (on a one-of-a-kind piece) like say- Deumer and Juncker did?
    Is Craig suggesting that OSD's bearing the 'circle K' mark are in fact 'signed' by RICHARD Klein rather than maker marked by OTTO Klein?

    Also- on page 193 it is mentioned 'Godet made Golden OSD's'. I never studied the Knights Cross as I find that field rather unpleasant along with some people in it so can someone perhaps point me in the right direction here and show me Godet Golden Oakleaves with Swords and Diamonds?
    Thanks for all the help.
    cheers
    Matt
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    Otto Klein makers mark

    Otto Klein's makers mark as stamped on GOSDs found in Schloss Klessheim.
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      #3
      Another one

      Another one of the Gau Wartheland with Diamonds. This one marked for Godet on the pin. I wonder if it also bears 'circle K' under the pin but sadly this is the only pic of it I found. And how many examples of this one-of-a-kind piece are there?
      cheers
      Matt
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        Originally posted by Matthew View Post
        Another one of the Gau Wartheland with Diamonds. This one marked for Godet on the pin. I wonder if it also bears 'circle K' under the pin but sadly this is the only pic of it I found. And how many examples of this one-of-a-kind piece are there?
        cheers
        Matt

        It would depend on how many customers there are.

        Bob Hritz
        In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

        Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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          #5
          wartheland

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl-c44woRk&feature=youtu.be

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            #6
            Was Liberace entitled to this 'award'?

            Bob Hritz
            In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

            Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
              Was Liberace entitled to this 'award'?

              Bob Hritz
              Bob! You bad!

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                #8
                Bob makes quite a good point! The basic design of this badge refers to the common people of the Volk and the State -- the plow and the sword within the embrace of National Socialism -- and that is quite understandable. But to literally cover those earthy and common symbols with diamonds upon a solid gold backing FAR exceeds the old phrase of "gilding the lily!" This piece raises "bling" to new heights and it underscores the middle-class insecurity of Gauleiter Arthur Greiser among his colleagues. But would I like to have one in my collection? You bet I would!

                Br. James

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Br. James View Post
                  Bob makes quite a good point! The basic design of this badge refers to the common people of the Volk and the State -- the plow and the sword within the embrace of National Socialism -- and that is quite understandable. But to literally cover those earthy and common symbols with diamonds upon a solid gold backing FAR exceeds the old phrase of "gilding the lily!" This piece raises "bling" to new heights and it underscores the middle-class insecurity of Gauleiter Arthur Greiser among his colleagues. But would I like to have one in my collection? You bet I would!

                  Br. James
                  And now you have choice of makers!!!

                  Bob Hritz
                  In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                  Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                    #10
                    "likely destined for an advanced collection of decorations

                    Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
                    And now you have choice of makers!!!

                    Bob Hritz
                    Yes, although the Klein/Godet variant seem to be the most popular. From the auction description:
                    "Records suggest that about 15 of these were originally awarded, and according to our research, the present example is the sixth known, the first we have handled. A superb relic of the Third Reich and likely destined for an advanced collection of decorations".
                    Link here: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=402&lot=1025

                    hmmm...
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Matthew View Post
                      Yes, although the Klein/Godet variant seem to be the most popular. From the auction description:
                      "Records suggest that about 15 of these were originally awarded, and according to our research, the present example is the sixth known, the first we have handled. A superb relic of the Third Reich and likely destined for an advanced collection of decorations".
                      Link here: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=402&lot=1025

                      hmmm...
                      19 grand, holy cow !

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                        #12
                        I would think it will probably bring close to $100,000.00 now that the word is out.

                        Bob Hritz
                        In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                        Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                          #13
                          The $19,000 has been realized 11 January 2013 !

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Matthew View Post
                            I was just flipping through Craig's book, doing some research on Gau Wartheland Badges and came across chapter of that award 'in diamonds'. As usual I have a question or two and I am hoping someone here (or maybe Craig?) can answer them.
                            Ok- to start- picture on page 191- front and back of the "Godet" badge with 'circle. K logo of Prof. Richard Klein (picture 1).
                            To the best of my limited knowledge Richard Klein who designed a plethora of German Awards had a logo (or a way to mark some of his works) but it was NOT a 'circle K'. It was rather a stylized RK for Richard Klein (picture 2).
                            There was a company that marked their products (NOT designs) with 'circle K' logo but it was Otto Klein of Hanau (picture 3). If one looks close enough it is plainly visible that the logo on the 'Godet' badge is that of Otto Klein (the manufacturer)- break in the 'circle' at 3 o'clock for Otto Klein is there as well just like on their OSDs.
                            BTW- Richard Klein did not design Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds as it is claimed (page 190). That design was based on a set of regular oaks (drilled) which were designed nearly 80 years before he was even born. And OSD's were made by OTTO Klein (of Hanau)
                            And here is my question- how is it possible that a badge that was found in a Hitler's safe AND inside its original fitted box (page 193) marked for Godet (the box that is) to be marked for OTTO Klein- a company nowhere close to Godet? It's not like they swapped parts (on a one-of-a-kind piece) like say- Deumer and Juncker did?
                            Is Craig suggesting that OSD's bearing the 'circle K' mark are in fact 'signed' by RICHARD Klein rather than maker marked by OTTO Klein?

                            Also- on page 193 it is mentioned 'Godet made Golden OSD's'. I never studied the Knights Cross as I find that field rather unpleasant along with some people in it so can someone perhaps point me in the right direction here and show me Godet Golden Oakleaves with Swords and Diamonds?
                            Thanks for all the help.
                            cheers
                            Matt
                            I've read the whole thead & no one has responded to the Otto Klein vs Richard Klein maker mark question. Or maybe I've missed something?

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                              No, didn't miss anything. Was hoping Craig would chime in since he is back on the forum but nothing so far.
                              cheers
                              Matt

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