brooch with sort of sonnenrad?

[Dmv]

Hard to find a proper forum on WAF for these things, but I've got this brooch, any info on it or it's symbol?

[jabnus]

Hi,

Tinnies and political badges is just the right forum.

Your brooch is a German made brooch and is from a series with several different runic symbols displayed in the centre. This particular brooch you show has a so called "Trifos" in the centre. It is indeed a sunwheel form and one of the oldest known symbols of mankind.

Here is a little piece i wrote on it a while ago:

It’s model is just like the
Old Swastika (and several other ancient characters),
patterned after the concept of Light
(the sun), of the ancient worldview. The Trifos
is a rune in the shape of a sunwheel. It is
believed to have already been in use in the
bronze- and iron times, and is by far one of the
oldest symbols used by mankind since early
history. The arms of the Trifos symbolize the
rising and setting of the sun, the three phazes
of life, and the eternal renewal of the world
order. The bent sunrays symbolize also the
three parts of each day. As a whole the character
is a symbol of the eternal cycle of events, for
example the seasons and the resurrection from
darkness and need to light and new life. The
design symbolizes the bridge to other worlds, a
higher power and source of knowledge.

[paulj]

This is a cultural item and there are various knowledgeable people in the SS Uniform forum who present and discuss these things.

I have had other brooches in the same manner with a runic symbol on a hand-wrought hammered disk. These are apparently part of a series and probably made by a studio specializing in stylized Germanic jewelry items. As mentioned, someone in the SS forum can probably give much more precise information.

[Dmv]

This is a cultural item and there are various knowledgeable people in the SS Uniform forum who present and discuss these things.

I know, but the moderator of that forum doesn't want any "cultural" items in that forum anymore without provenance to the SS

@ Jabnus, thanks for the info. I couldn't find this specific form in Walther Blachetta's book

[Wood]

Yup, nothing to do with the ss in particular, just cultural jewelry. An interesting collecting sideline to tinnies,
Pete

[jabnus]

I know, but the moderator of that forum doesn't want any "cultural" items in that forum anymore without provenance to the SS

Yes and that moderator is quite right so. These brooches (among many other things) have nothing to do with the SS.

Using Blachetta as a reference is maybe not the easiest thing if one wants to start out to find more info on runes. Besides being an old referencework, the info in there is not the best and you have be to be quite into this subject to interpret many of the content.

If you look however at page 66 you'll find there "Der Dreifuss" and "Der Dreierspirale", both are similar as the Trifos. The Dreifus is shown with more square- instead of roundish arms, and the Dreierspirale as shown on that page with more curling arms towards the end. The symbolism should be the same.

On page 106 of the same book is another example.

Mind also that the (re-)appreciation for this kind of symbolism in Germany was older than "only" the World War 2 period. Also when trying to understand many of the background of e.g runes it is important to keep in mind that many of the pagan Germanic history (and runic history and useage) has been made up during the Third Reich period and should not always be taken as "truth". It can be quite confusing at times.

DMV, you started to collect brooches too?

best regards,
Gaston

edit: Yes Pete, a very interesting sideline! I love these relative simple brooches.

[Capt. R]

Trifos

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[Belten]

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Wow, this looks interesting. Is it a sales catalog? Also, does it say at the top that the brooches pictured are made from blackened steel?

[jabnus]

Hi Don,

Nice picture, do you have more of that page?

So far all wandervogel brooches/items i've seen (only a handfull to be honest) were very crude made, nothing like the brooch from DMV in post #1. I think the brooch in post#1 is from somewhere after 1930 (and before 1945).

This does also again proof that definately not every cultural item is NS or SS as some want you to believe.

[Dmv]

Notice my first brooch turns the other way around then the one in the catalogue.
That one turns like this brooch of mine:

[jabnus]

Im not sure if the direction means that much. Some of the makers (sometimes also jewelers) had not much a clue of what they did and several brooches can be found with symbols turning the one time left, the other time right.

Can we please see the reverse of this last one? I first wondered if it was the Dutch or the German type, but wonder now if it is not from another series as the "grooves" appear quite deep. The reverse will tell though.


best regards,
Gaston

[Dmv]

Hello Gaston, agree that the direction doesn't mean that much.
The last one has a square attachment plate.
Sorry photo is out of focus...

[jabnus]

Hi Dmv,

Thanks for the picture, it's good enough to show it is German made.

A similar line of brooches was during the war parallel to eachother made and sold in the Netherlands and in Germany. In the Netherlands these were distributed by the Nederlandsche Heemkunst, in Germany im still trying to find out who made them, but it must have been a similar organisation. Also a few more (with different designs i mean) were made in Germany. The difference between the Dutch and German ones can be seen by comparing the reverse hardware. A rectangular pinplate like this was not in use on the Dutch brooches, so it must be German.

best regards,
Gaston

[Capt. R]

Gudrun brooch

Thanks guys for the discussion.

Who made this one. Says Gudrun on the back?

[Capt. R]

anymore discussion on these?