A few variants of Party pins

[dolchmann07]

Closer

Maybe a little closer look, the back reads M.SEDLATZER CHL BG. Probably a fake. By the way the first book with that description is "Insignia, Decorations and Badges of the Third Reich and Occupied Countries, by R Kahl" I have had the book since the mid 1970's I think, I think it was my first book on badges and medals. not for sure, it was forty years ago. But the copy I own is literally worn out. and at the time it was nearly the only book, maybe David Littlejohn had published by then, but I can not remember... . I have been told that by several oldtimers too, so if it is true or not, I do not know, like I said, "I was not there, when they discussed what the party pin was going to look like" but I am sure there was more than one option considered. The symbol goes back a long time in the regions history, that I do know..
Jack

[dolchmann07]

Pins

I am sorry I have to correct that, it is M.SEDLATZEK.
The author is from Holland and it does go into great detail abouth the Dutch and the NSB in his book. But like I said it is a very old reference book.
Jack

[dolchmann07]

Images enlarged

No opinions now that I have shown close ups, is it period or phantasy ??
I am not an expurt on these pins, and would like to know if I should throw it in the junk pile.
Jack

[Wood]

A quick google search, leads me to believe that the V.W.V. Berlin was/is a publishing house. So perhaps an in-house pin.
Regards,
Pete
Send it to me!

[dolchmann07]

Pins

Thanks Pete, no I liked the pin, but if the perception is that it is a phhhyantasy.
I might as well put it in the junk pile and perception is todays rule.
I always thought it was a good pin, but when questioned I actually did not know with 100% accuracy, it is well made, but some fakes are well made. And it has age, but once again the best fakes have age, and as I said, I am not an expert on all things and anyone that thinks they are will soon be mistaken. But the enamiling appears to be the hot enamiling type and not the modern type.
I did a search for it, and got nothing, I must of typed in the wrong thing. But I got a lot of hits for the maker, even though I did not remember it.
Hopefully I will get another vote of confidence, to put all doubts out of my mind, if the next opinions are negative, I might get back to you.
Have a good day,
Jack

[jabnus]

I've been looking at it since yesterday and planned on looking it up first in the Kahn book before replying, but it appears i have the book not at my home (i keep not all books here due to space shortage).

Thanks for the better pictures, although i can't recognize it now either it is an intriguing badge. Im actually starting to like it as it looks very well made and i have a thing for anything with a wolf hook on it. Please don't get rid of it yet! As strange as it looked at first, it should not be automatically dismissed because we don't know it (yet). It could very well be something like an in-house pin as Pete mentions. Also many early pre-1933 items were made, who knows?

best regards,
Gaston

[dolchmann07]

A quick google search, leads me to believe that the V.W.V. Berlin was/is a publishing house. So perhaps an in-house pin.
Regards,
Pete
Send it to me!

I think wood is spot on, well that was a left turn. But I feel better knowing what it is. Thank You wood for your great help.
Jack

[Jo Rivett]

Hi Jack
On post 16 you mention the Kahl book, and on the next post you show an excerpt from that book. You also mention a few posts back on post 10, that: Some people call it the first version of the Nazi party pin.

Anyway I have seen that in a few books.

My questions/notes:
Firstly What other books?
Secondly, the Kahl book you quote does not picture this badge at all, (None of Kahls books do) and the image you have snipped from it, showing pos. 27: Wolfsangel, has absolutely nothing to do with the badge in question here. Pos. 27, is actually pictured on the opposite page, and is a simple Wolfs hook on a long pin.

No discussion on the badge in question, it is certainly original, but just to correct a few things, it is never mentioned nor pictured by Kahl, or anybody else to my knowledge. So the first question is what interests me, when you say that you have seen it mentioned like this in a few books, do you mean that you have actually seen YOUR BADGE, pictured and mentioned? or do you simply mean that you have seen images of a wolfs hook pictured and mentioned?

This is important to me because i need to have every small badge catalog ever printed in my collection - for research, and was under the impression that i did have every one, until now that is? so if you could help out it would be appreciated!
Cheers, Jo