Gau Munchen Erenzeichen - 9.11.1923

[Stossgruppe3]

This is over on the Badges table for sale at what I believe is a reasonable price.
Your comments and opinion are most welcome.
What were they issued for ... ?
Regards
David

[Stossgruppe3]

Gau Munchen Erenzeichen - 9.11.1923

And this one ..... Thank you Gentlemen
Regards
David

[ErichS]

[der-hase-fee]

Good one. The real thing is about 1" in diameter, much smaller than the general Gau badge, for example.

[Dmv]

Indeed, when I got mine I was surprised the thing was so small!
All those blown up photo's...

Anyway, original badge, but still a bit expensive i.m.o. taking into consideration the current market as wel as the dark spots on the front.

[Stossgruppe3]

I never would have guessed ..... only 1 inch in diameter ... ?
That is tiny I was thinking along the lines of at least 1.5 inch in any case something a bit bigger than shown.
Thank you Gentlemen ..... A nice one nevertheless
Regards
David

[jerry c.]

i think its more like 2 inches...

[jerry c.]

1 3/8 inches

[Gregorio Torres]

Very nice original and very desiderable marked badge

[Br. James]

Hi David,

As to your question, "What were they issued for...?", recently another thread carried a fine discussion and analysis of just that question, and my synthesis of that discussion is as follows: while this badge has long been referred to as the "Gau Munich Commemorative Badge 9/11/23," in actuality it was the badge created in observation of the events of the tenth anniversary of the Beer Hall Putsch, held in Munich in November 1933. A number of Gaue later created so-called Commemorative Badges marking/honoring either their own tenth anniversary of foundation or other events which occurred during the kampfzeit, but this Munich observation badge never acquired that official regional position, and with the advent of the Blood Order in 1934, this badge passed into obscurity along with numerous other local event badges throughout the Third Reich after the event they represented passed into history. But since this badge carries the same inscription as the Blood Order -- And Yet You have Conquered -- it seems to have found a life and genre of its own, particularly in the collections of post-war Third Reich collectors. At the end of our previous discussion thread, Laurens and JoeW -- two of our faithful colleagues on WAF -- provided the final documentation of this badge and it's intended use when they posted a copy of a clipping from the 8/11/33 edition of the "Völkischer Beobachter" which clearly shows the badge in question and titles it "Das Festabzeichen für den 9. November in München" -- The Event Badge for the 9th of November in Munich.

I hope this is helpful information and, as one who has long valued this badge in my own collection, I trust that current research and scholarship has shone a new light on an oft-misunderstood piece of history.

Br. James

[Gregorio Torres]

Dear friend, your "scholarship" need to be cleared up in some points:

- In the refered thread the only clear conclusion is that the origin of the badge was as a Festabzeichen, i.e. as the Braunsweig 1931 SA trefen badge, or the Nuremberg 1929 RPT badge. If the status of the badge was changed is not proved yet, in any sense, although I can´t deny that since no more info about this emerge, the info about the begining in the Volkischer Beobachter is the only one tested with written time sources.

- with the advent of the Blood Order in 1934, this badge passed into obscurity along with numerous other local event badges throughout the Third Reich after the event they represented passed into history????? Do you think so?? I think you haven´t read all the previous posts about this badge. Why period pictures from several years after 1934 with people wearing this badge do exist? Why do exist too any of these badges expertly repaired by jewelers, engraved, etcetera? I´ve seen never the same in some other common tinnies.

- If we spend several decades to find the info about the true origin of the badge, even though the most reputed researchers had considered in their books this item as an "Gau award" since their beginning, why we must to close now the doors to a new discovery to explain why these nice badges was considered not only by post-war collectors as you said, but by their original holders as something more special than a simple tinnie???

[Stossgruppe3]

Thank you all for information and help.
A special thanks you to James & Gregorio for their detailed reply too.
I will have to get back to its owner and tell him he has found a new owner now
Regards
David

[Br. James]

Hi Gregorio,

As David did, I thank you for your response, as well. I think Laurens and JoeW have provided our hobby with quite wonderful information -- from the period -- in sharing that ad from the "Völkischer Beobachter" issue of 8/11/33 which introduced the badge that has come to be known as the "Gau Munich Commemorative Badge 9/11/23" within our hobby for a number of decades! I am not aware that any period publication provided the "Festival Badge for the 9th of November in Munich" with special honor or ranking other than as the event badge for the first observation of this foundational time for the NSDAP. And that is certainly no small achievement. But when Dr. Heinrich Döhle published his books on the "Medals and Decorations of the Third Reich" in the 1930s and '40s, he did not include this badge -- though there was a section of his books wherein this badge would surely have been placed, if it were seen to be of the caliber of "the Braunsweig 1931 SA trefen badge, or the Nuremberg 1929 RPT badge" which you noted...but it isn't there among them. Neither did Dr. Kurt-Gerhard Klietmann include this badge in his acknowledged 1971 tome, "Deutsche Auszeichnungen."

I apologize if you think I mis-spoke in alluding that this badge "passed into obscurity" with the coming of the Blood Order; obviously, since we are still discussing it's origin now, almost 80 years later, it has rightly held our regard over time. And the period photos and examples of repaired badges today also attest to the fact that this badge and the events of 8/9 November 1933 in Munich were a lasting testimonial to its perceived importance to those who were present. (Of course, we also see quite a few other event badges with repaired pins on these threads -- high on that list being the 1933 RPT badge.)

Please know that I did not intend to demean this unique badge; indeed, the example in my own collection has for many years been kept in special company with GPBs, the General Gau Commemorative Badge 1923 and others of my most prized relics. But I think it can only benefit our hobby to see a long-respected yet little-understood badge in the light of revealed research; hopefully we will all enjoy this piece for many years to come!

Br. James

[Gregorio Torres]

Dear friend
Thank you very much for your kind post. I´m with you 100%. I wish only to let the door open to other discoverys in the future, as our hobby is a very alive one, and everyday we can get some new knowledge and some new bright contribution, as this from Lauren. Special meaning have my words in the case of this badge, which was considered as something more than a tinnie for both, original holders and collectors.
Very best regards

[Jon Fish]

I've got a few of these around, here are two that have been in my collection for a number of years. Here again one features a period repair to the pin