This can't be right.

[Wood]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=539047

Pete

[tgn]

I was scratching my head on that one too.

Tom

[Richard]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=539047

Pete

It isn't right. It is a very bad reproduction.
Richard V

[Martin Harding]

FROM IMAGES THE BADGE LOOKS 100% FAKE BUT ON CLOSER INSPECTION IT IS ORIGINAL !!!

I am about to put the Cat among the Pigeons by stating that from my perspective the Badge is original. It only appears to be a terrible fake because the Pictures are so appalling (sorry Jimmy but they are) The result gives the appearance on the images of a very poor cast fake when in fact it is an original that has had the pin replaced and also the possibility that the Badge has been replated.
Although fakes do exist with this sort of pin there are sufficent indications that this Badge is not one of them.
The Badge is certainly worthy of further discussion owing to the points already mentioned above
Regards Martin

[mametz]

Strange one i would say defenite pin replacement, and looks to have
been dipped in a silver coating of some kind. But as Martin said it may
be good, but with that heavy coating it is hard to tell
Regards
Mametz

[Jimmy]

New Pictures

I have posted new and I hope better pictures in the sales thread.

NS 1. Reichs Jugendtag 1932 Tinnie
Here are two there are two more on the sales thread. Jimmy

[redline09]

i think Martin Harding is right, looks like the pin has been replaced & the badge replated (chromed?)

[Martin Harding]

Hello Jimmy, still a difficult one to call, non the less from the new images the Badge gives one the impression that it has indeed been replated. In hand this would be far easier to determine with a quality eye loupe. although having said that the silver finish one expects to encounter when period is more of a whitish silver finish. With reference to the pin it really is not the pin you would expect to see on an original and indeed if Badge is to be acknowledged as original one would also have to acknowledge that the pin had also been replaced at some stage.
Regards Martin

[Martin Harding]

i think Martin Harding is right, looks like the pin has been replaced & the badge replated (chromed?)

Difficult to determine from the Pictures alone, however oxidisation would not occur with Chromium plated finish

Jimmy how does the finish look to you under an eye Loupe ??

[Jimmy]

Back

Hi Martin et al
Upon looking at the rear where the plating has peeled the metal under neath appears to be copper colored & noting is magnetic including the pin. So does that help? Jimmy

[Martin Harding]

Hi Martin et al
Upon looking at the rear where the plating has peeled the metal under neath appears to be copper colored & noting is magnetic including the pin. So does that help? Jimmy

Yes Bingo Jimmy, you def have an original going on what you have just said. From the description Your Badge is typical heavy die struck Plated Tombac version that was more than likely Silver Plated period. Although seldom encountered I have HJ examples with the same finish
regards Martin

[Jimmy]

?

Martin I don't know what to look far. The sides don't have the tell tell casting lines on the contrary they appear to be sheared .
Also nickel plating has a yellow tint to it and chrome has a blueish tint having said that I would say this looks more like chrome. It definitely not silver plating that has a total different look.
So not cast & chrome plated would be my guess. I don't recall any German items from that time period have a chrome plating more like an American GI would do. As I have seen lots of post war plated (by GI's) pistols using chrome. No oxidation at all. Bright & shiney.
I will abide by the consensus here & withdraw it if I need to.

[Martin Harding]

Hello Jimmy, I have posted an example of a rare HJ Badge for you to compare. Although the finish on my example below is period it has a silver finish that in hand has worn naturally over the Decades as on would expect revealing the Tombac finish beneath that has developed a very desirable Bronze Patina.
If your finish is Chromium Plate you are 100% on the Money it would indeed peel. non the less the finish does not appear to have been applied that recently
Regards Martin
PS ironically the Badge I have used as an example is the same maker

[Jimmy]

Plating

Martin I have an almost 50 year background in guns and vintage automobiles and have seen virtually all types of plating.
This one as I said I would bet is chrome & yes some has peeled just like chrome.
The plating is not of a recent application as I know of the badges where abouts for the last 30 years.

[Martin Harding]

Martin I have an almost 50 year background in guns and vintage automobiles and have seen virtually all types of plating.
This one as I said I would bet is chrome & yes some has peeled just like chrome.
The plating is not of a recent application as I know of the badges where abouts for the last 30 years.

Hello Jimmy, from what you say it is now safe to assume it is more than likely a Chromium plated finish and this would also explain the peeling because as you know peeling can be a typical charachteristic with Chrome. To determine when the Badge was actually chromed may now be the diffcult part to ascertain as you know Chroming was all the rage firstly in the 1930's and then later in the 1950's