The "debatable" Gautag 1938 Leipzig

[David North]

From what I can gather in my slightly plodding and Neanderthal sort of way is that there are some collectors who feel that this remarkably and theatrically overt by NSDAP organisations emblem display event badge, is a pure fantasy item, whilst there are those who consider it to be a period item. I am sure that this event badge if actually period, is heavily faked.

The one here though does appear convincing and which I bought purely for the inclusion of the SA emblem.

Any comments would be most welcome.

Regards,

David

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[Br. James]

Hi David,

Thanks for sharing this quite interesting event badge. What caught my eye as to the obverse design is what is NOT there, namely the HJ logo! While the SA, SS, DAF, RAD and DJ logos are all present, there's no sign of the HJ logo...or of the Frauenschaft either, for that matter. Given the macho nature of the National Socialist State, it is not really surprising that women -- second-class citizens as they were -- were not included among the logos of the major NS organizations, but the HJ...??!!

An interesting badge indeed,

Br. James

[Ron Weinand]

I have found this badge from veterans over the years, while scarce, it is not RARE. And yes, the youth is represented on this badge by the single Rune symbole. Totally original and period, they tend to be a favorite of zinc pest with some regularity.

[ETN]

I'm not so sure that this particular tinnie is a heavily faked as some assume. There are some who say that the zinc variation of this badge are fake and that the only original variation came in aluminum. This is most likely based on a collector's personal preference to a particular variation than anythings else.

[Carsten135]

hi guys

yes David this SA badge has been heavely discussed before and can be a bit controversial due to the meny opinions, it makes the whole pic a bit " fussy " but nevertheless i havent seen some solid facts arround this badge nor for or against, exept opinions. I have seen quite a few private collections from germany where the zink badge rules the territory. As ETN says arround heavely faked, i too havent seen this in a bad fake form, yet. My own personal opinion is that the zink is ok along whit the alu badge thoe my experince says that the alu is more rare then the zink form i my case 1-10 . I do belive yours is timeperiod, for me it have all the signs and also in a pretty good condition as i perfer, i have seen this zink version in much much worse condition, so for that you also gets the in condition. Heres one alu from my private collection, i got this some years ago from a private household and whit all this " fussy " debate i got mine confirmed even twice. Hopefully we gets some solid data arround this badge whit time, so collectors can get some peace.

imo congrat whit a nice badge.



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[David North]

Many thanks for the comments and the opinions chaps, all of which are greatly appreciated. Perhaps I should have undertaken a "forum search" for this badge and my apologies for being a little lazy here.

As Br. James has so rightly mentioned, the choice of organisation symbols is a little odd by the absence of the HJ, to name but one. In addition and perhaps by sheer chance is the prominence of the SA symbol.

Anyway, more than likely an original example and I was obviously wrong that this badge was heavily faked. Perhaps the distressed condition toward some of the zinc examples seen is misleading. Poor detail due to erosion, rather than a fake manufacturing technique.

Thankyou for showing the aluminium type Carsten and one that I personally prefer over the zinc type. Attached is a photo merge of the two badges and where the similar detail can be clearly seen.

Regards,

David

[torstenbel]

I have no concrete detail or information to add, but both types of badges look original and period made to me. The Aluminium one does look a lot nicer though ... ;-) Cheers, Torsten.