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    #1

    DRL v NSRL

    The following pages are from Angolia´s "for Fuhrer...".
    I´m interested to know if there were two different
    sport organisations running simultanious, ´cause I
    can´t figure it out.

    Regards
    Peter
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    Peter, This is what I found in Divid Littlejohn and Dodkins book on the subject.

    The National Socialist Physical Training League (N.S.R.L.) was a forerunner of the D.R.L. and issued small lapel badges which were later adopted (without alteration) by the German National Physical Training Union (D.R.L.).

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      #3
      Hi James.

      Thanks for your input, but I still can´t figure this out.

      Deutsches Reichsportabzeichen was instituted by the
      "German National Committee for Physical Training" and
      existed until 1933.

      According to Angolia´s "For Fuhrer and Fathrland" vol 2
      from 1978 (I think Dodkins was published in 1968), the
      "German National Physical Training Union" took over the
      control of sports in 1933 and introduced a new pattern
      with DRL instead of DRA. In 1937 the DRL pattern had a
      swastika incorporated.

      Now for tricky part. When was the "Nationalsocialistischer
      Reichbund fur Leibesubungen" (NSRL) created if it was a
      forrunner to DRL?

      If you think this is complicated, wait ´till we get to the
      badges . I can use all the help I can get on this one.

      Regards
      Peter

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        #4
        Peter
        Look forward to you getting on to the badges,cos it confuses me as well If I remember what I read in a previous thread on sports badges,the badge shown in your scan of Angolia's book,is a 1957 version of the DRL ?

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          #5
          The first organization was the national committee for physical fitness - I believe that it may have grown out of the German olympic committee of the nineteen teens. It was responsible for the the DRA monogramed PT badges.

          It became the Deutsche Riechsbund for Liebesungen that produced the DRL series of badges (w/no swastika on the wreath). In 1938, there was a huge national sports event in Breslau (for commemorative stamps were issued showing views of the city, all bearing the distinct sports eagle). At that event, all sports organizations were forced to merge into one big group - which became the National Socialist Riechsbund for Liebesungen (ergo the swastika at the bottom of the badge).

          There was a word that the Nazis were fond of using from the siezure of power in January of 1933. I forget what it was, but it meant - roughly - "coordination," i.e. the forced joining together of smaller groups into bigger groups, usually under the leadership of Hitler appointed "mini-fuhrers." In some areas, it happened early in the 1930's, sometimes later. It happened in stages to vet's organizations and ended more or less when the Kuyfhauserbund was forced to becom the NS Kreigerbund during the war...

          I haven't done any reading about this for over fifteen years, but I believe that I am generically correct in my timeline...

          Jim
          [Sorry for misspellings of German words/terms.]

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            #6
            PS. There was no need for a 1957 version of the DRL badges for two reasons: the DRL badges had to be constantly requalified for by recipients, so nobody in 1957 would have been entitled to automatically wear a "1957 version" because of the time that had lapsed since 1945 had caused the dissolution of the NSRL and the post-war Deutsche Sport Bund had come into existence and was issuing modernized badges bearing the "DSB" monogram...

            Jim

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              #7
              Originally posted by Peter J.
              Hi James.

              Thanks for your input, but I still can´t figure this out.
              .

              Now for tricky part. When was the "Nationalsocialistischer
              Reichbund fur Leibesubungen" (NSRL) created if it was a
              forrunner to DRL?

              If you think this is complicated, wait ´till we get to the
              badges . I can use all the help I can get on this one.

              Regards
              Peter
              From what I can get from Angolia's book the DRA was instituted some time after 1913 it was in place up to 1933 in that year it became the DRL in 1937 the badge was modified again to incorporate the swastika. Now here's the confusing part
              the first award created by the NSRL was the Championship badge on 14 November 1935. Two more badges were created in 1937 to recognize individual achievement in the sports field. In 1938 the DRL took control from that time on it was DRL / NSRL but the earlier NSRL awards were retained without modification. From this I believe the DRL was for overall physical fitness of the German people while the NSRL was for individual sports achievement both in Germany and in international competitions. So I would have to say that the use of the term forerunner is wrong as they were both in place at the same time but covering two aspects of the sporting world.
              Regards.

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                #8
                Still doesn´t compute. .

                If the NSRL was created as an umbrella for all sports
                organisations in Breslau 1938, how could they institute
                a Meisterschaftsabzeichen in 1935? Is it fair to assume
                that Leistungs- and Meisterschaftsabzeichen was instituted
                by DRL and not NSRL?

                Regards
                Peter

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                  #9
                  Jim
                  I seem to remember reading in another post,that the way to spot a "57" DRL,was that there is a metal tip protruding over the loop of the band that holds the wreath (as the badge in the scan has ),and that this tip is in the same place as the arm of the swastika in the DRL with swaz. ( 2nd model ).So why would a pre-swastka badge have this tip ?,it certainly isn't there on my DRA's

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                    #10
                    Found the post now.

                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&highlight=drl

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                      #11
                      Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.

                      There was no need for a '57 version of the pre-'45 DRL badges. Even if a person qualified for the badge in the winter of 44-45, he would have had to requalify for it again in another 12 to 18 months (I forget specific time period) so his authorization for the badge would have lapsed by late 1946. The badge was not an award like the EK that became a permanent uniform item and there was no national sports authority to run tests and reissue a badge until the Deutsche Sport Bund was started in West Germany. Any erstwhile jock who earned the badge pre-May '45 who still had a taste for sports badges would have qualified for a DSB bronze, silver or gold badge well before 1957.

                      Jim

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                        #12
                        So if the 57 DRL doesn't exist,why do some DRL's have a tip of metal above the wreath and others don't ?

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                          #13
                          Maybe I started this thread from the wrong end. My
                          initial intention was to discuss "Leistungs- and Meister-
                          schaftsabzeichen". I thought it would be easier once the
                          organisational aspect was cleared out.

                          Jim, you point at NSRL as an umbrella for various
                          sports organisations created 1938.

                          James, your suggestion is that NSRL was created earlier
                          and worked as an independent org. until it was merged
                          into DRL.

                          So let´s leave this topic for a minute and focus on the
                          awards. Reference is made to the "Meisterschaftsabz."
                          from 1935 as well as two additional badges in 1937. I
                          would appreciate if someone could post a picture of these
                          three pin-badges. Also if possible, explain the attached
                          illustration from Husken´s "Handbuch der Abzeichen...".
                          The same distinction between DRL and NSRL is also made
                          in his "Katalog der Ordens....".

                          Regards
                          Peter

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                            #14
                            Peter, As far as I can tell from reading up on the DRL/NSRL these three pins are the ones in question.
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                              #15
                              How we have to remember the pins instituted by the NSRL were adopted by the DRL without alteration and the same design was used Thu 1944 for awards for individuals competing in athletic events both in and outside of Germany. The normal DRL badge we see with wreath and DRL monogram was for overall physical fitness of the German people much like the SA sports badge without the military exercises. So the pins in Hüsken's book are the ones awarded before and after the merge in 1938. Anyway that's what I have deduced from reading these books.
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