Olympic pins

[dolchmann07]

I read a thread where some one mentioned very few items with the Swastika came out of the 1936 Olympics, I do not think that. I think it was Hitler's coming out party and he wanted it put in front of all the world. After saying that I thought that I would ask for some second opinions on these pins. I am starting to become very dis-illusioned over many of my pins. But at least most of them came to me from a time that was before high prices and before most reference books.
So I hope some one enjoys them and I appreciate any facts and feedback.
I am sure there is something here that is not right.
Thanks
Jack

[dolchmann07]

Olympic pins

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[dolchmann07]

Olympic pins

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Thanks
Jack

[dolchmann07]

olympic pins

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[Duzig]

Hello Jack,
I believe that most of those badges,particularly the round one's are considered fakes or fantasy items. The reiter spende badge I have seen before but cannot say whether or not it is bogus or what. The horizontal piece with the 1936 on it I believe is a real piece but I could be wrong. I have seen them for sale on legitimate sites before but perhaps someone with more knowledge will chime in with some more info. The two items with the white enamel, is one a car plaque? I am not sure about them. I know that original badges, like the small white enamel one you show do exist but whether yours is original or not I do not know. Unfortunately as I say I believe all the round badges you show are bogus.
Duzig(Bill)

[dolchmann07]

Olympic pins

I have trouble figuring out what makes a item a tinnie or something else. But I got a PM and the round red and blue one is in Tieste's pg 744 Olympiade 00-7 and the reiter spende badge is on page 744 00-05, and the
horizontal piece with 1936 is on 745 36-05. The White enamel is in Tieste's page 87 under Berlin 36-01, the large enamel is a car plaque. The large white one is under Berlin 1936-04 page 88, the Red and Black Berlin Filmabteilung (Berlin film department) is on page 88 36-14.
Has any one ever found errors in Tieste's tinnie books ? I am sure there are some. But it looks like he does his homework I just did not expect to find them in the books.
That just leaves the Red and white one and the Red and black one with the bell, and if I was going to make a judgment call by feel and looking at the red and black one under a high powered scope, I would say the red and black one is very old enamel, but that is just my opinion. What I am saying is the red and black one with the bell would be the last one I would of thought to be a copy.
Thanks to Scott and his PM I would of nevr thought to look in Tiestie's
Jack

[Duzig]

Hello,
I think most references have mistakes in them & Tieste probably does too but I believe if you do a search on this forum you'll find other threads relating to Olympic badges and other enamelled badges which while being very well made are considered by most to be fantasy items. Maybe someone else will comment on them in the meantime.
They certainly do seem to show up all over the place & I believe they started showing up in the 80's which is when I bought a few of them(if memory serves me correct).
regards,
Duzig(Bill)

[Richard]

Though I have looked for years for a period photo showing the badge at the far right of the next to the last row (with the rays eminating from the eagle), I have not been successful. I have always wondered about that particular badge as it pops up every now and then and is one of the few that has an engraved number on the back. Interestingly I have never seen two of these badges with the same number on the rear. They have all been different. I can't imagine what they would be other than some type of worker's or official's badge but, if so, you would think a photo of one in wear would exist.

If they are fake, someone went to a lot of trouble many years ago. They have been around since the late 1970's/early 1980's, have excellent enamel work and additionally each has a unique number on the rear.
Richard V

[Peter J.]

Richard, non of these badges are illustrated in my edition of Hüsken's book about German organisations. He mentions the three classes of Olympia Siegernadel without illustration though. The closest in design to the badge with rays is referred to as Deutscher Vereinmeister Leichtathletik (female), but with the date 1938. I don't know this lack of recognition in Hüsken's book is significant, but makes you wonder about the originalty of the badges seen here.

cheers
Peter

[dolchmann07]

Olympic pins

I am not familar with "Hüsken's book about German organisations." does it list the Olympics as a orginization. I ask this because it would not be an on going thing, I too have seen 4 or 5 of the numbered one before and they did have different numbers. I have seen several fake Golden Party Pins with the same numbers. I really expect nothing, but the age on these do not seem to be faked, but I bought a few of them in the 1970's and they would not need to be aged, they are now old. But for the most part this came in a lot with a pennant with good period embroidery and several photo's of a wrestler and he was only wearing his tights with the Olympic logo. I have read many threads about these being fantasy and still think there is more to find out ??? IMO.
I thank everybody for their input, and I hope no one thinks I am trying to will these as good. That is far from my intentions if they are fakes I will put it to rest. And it sounds as if they will always be questionable no matter what.
I always worry that I will come off as sounding like a jerk on the forum.
I think I am going to e-mail Reinhard Tieste to see if he can shine some light on the subject. and I will get back with what I find out. That might take a while.
Thanks
Jack

[dolchmann07]

Olympic pins

I went through the past posts again and see many contradictions, I see this is a area that is like a open book. I might be beating a dead horse, please excuse
my earlier posts.
once again, I thank those who took the time to give their opinions.
Jack

[Richardxyz]

I too don't like the circular badges you post. I've never seen them in any period photographs. I've seen quite a lot of them on auction sites, nearly always in good condition. I also agree with the sentiment that badges available to purchase by the general public ( which would include foreign visitors ) would not have carried the swastika. But that is just my opinion.

Your Brandenburg gate pin at the top left looks unusual. I have handled a fair few and all have had a flat reverse, yours appears to show the front pattern coming through. Is it maker marked? I can't remember all the makers but from memory Aurich ( small monogram ), W.D, Paulmann & Crone of Ludenscheid there is at least one other, possibly Redo

The large Auto Plakette, the only maker I know of is Carl Poellath of Schrobenhausen, there may of course be others, is it enamel? CP also make a lot of the olympic ring pins as shown in the bottom right of your picture which incidentally looks fine.

Jack, I hope Tieste can be of some help, I'd be interested in his opinions. Also, thanks for posting these as we can all learn something new.

[Richardxyz]

I should correct myself regarding the Olympic Auto plakette, the maker I know is Wilhelm Deumer of Ludenscheid rather than Carl Poellath.

[Duzig]

Hello,
Regarding the auto plakette, I have one with maker of PUC. I don't recall what the letters stand for, anyone know? Also Richard, are you saying that some of these plaques for the autos are original or that original one's have the deumer name or? Thanks
Duzig(Bill)

[Silesien]

The PuC logo is the logo of the Paulmann & Crone firm. The car plaque also exists with the multi-colored rings.