Party Badge related, original?

[Adrian Stevenson]

Sorry for the quality of this pic, I am in a hurry!

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi guys,

Thanks for your opinions. Questionable was only the badge on top, since I got it recently with a bunch of (good) badges that I know more about. The two lower badges were not in question since I know where they come from and since I got them end of the seventies.

So I guess because nobody REALLY knows, the top badge will remain 50/50.

Cheers, Frank

[Richard]

Ade, thanks for the pics. This manufacturer did have very interesting artistically rendered numerals.

Frank, I'm afraid 50/50 is as good as it can get for this badge. Some like it, some don't but no one can prove anything one way or another.
Richard V

[FW 200]

rzm fake stampings

Does anybody out there know any good sites or threads where I can find pics of genuine RZM markings and/or known fakes? Thank you all! FW 200,Toledo,Ohio

[sjl]

RZM Logos ("Schutzzeichen&quot

Does anybody out there know any good sites or threads where I can find pics of genuine RZM markings and/or known fakes? Thank you all! FW 200,Toledo,Ohio

The whole RZM marking issue is quite complicated. There are 4 basic variations in the RZM mark: two circles, one circle, with cross mark to the "Z" and without. There are also a very few unauthorized variations, but they are rare since the RZM levied hefty fines and could put you in jail for 2 years for improper or unauthorized use. I discuss these at some length in my book about RZM marks. Lopsided RZM marks should be avoided.

Numbers were generally plain fonts, but especially with party pins sometimes the same maker had several backs as the dies wore out. Also, there was a transition period between the very end of 1934 when the RZM logo started being used and March 1935 when the M codes were finalized, and everyone had to change their back dies.

GES. GESCH. can appear on the same badge as an RZM logo, although when you understand the RZM system you see that marking something "Legally Protected" (Gesetzlich Geschutz) is redundant. An RZM logo with no M number and GES. GESCH. would only come from the period Dec (?) 1934 to March 1935. I too don't like the badge so marked in Cone's book and think it is a fake for other reasons.

As for known fakes, it would fill volumes. I show a dozen or so in my book, but there are literally hundreds ranging from perfect to crummy. Unfortunately the photo at the top of this thread is gone. If it reappears I'll be happy to put in my 2 cents (3 cents Canadian).