Blutorden : help needed !

[Denis]

Hello,

I have an inquiry. A friend of mine has asked for my opinion about a blutorden but this is not my field and I would need knowledgeable fellow members' opinions.
Here is the description given by him :

- it is hallmarked 4433
- Also, it doesn't have the thin wire hanger attached.
- The maker's name is on the outside edge of the
medal (it's "Friedrich Orth Wien")
- there is a 800 silver content stamp

Sorry but there is no pic available for the moment.
In my opinion, I would say that the maker mark sounds bad because Blutorden were found
- either bearing a 990 silver content stamp with the J. Fuess caption,
- or with only a 800 silver content stamp and without any mention of the manufacturer.
But, as I told you before, Political awards are far from being my field so I can be totally wrong.

Who can help us ?
Many thanks in advance
Regards
Denis
PS : George D, feel free to add any comments to this post if necessary.

[Kevin Sanders]

Blood Order

Actually, I am writing a paper on the blood order now - can we get a good picture of obverse, reverse, any dimensions and masses ?

Best regards-

Kevin

Hello,

I have an inquiry. A friend of mine has asked for my opinion about a blutorden but this is not my field and I would need knowledgeable fellow members' opinions.
Here is the description given by him :

- it is hallmarked 4433
- Also, it doesn't have the thin wire hanger attached.
- The maker's name is on the outside edge of the
medal (it's "Friedrich Orth Wien")
- there is a 800 silver content stamp

Sorry but there is no pic available for the moment.
In my opinion, I would say that the maker mark sounds bad because Blutorden were found
- either bearing a 990 silver content stamp with the J. Fuess caption,
- or with only a 800 silver content stamp and without any mention of the manufacturer.
But, as I told you before, Political awards are far from being my field so I can be totally wrong.

Who can help us ?
Many thanks in advance
Regards
Denis
PS : George D, feel free to add any comments to this post if necessary.

[Erich B.]

Blutorden

Hello Denis,
You're right--there are 2 patterns of Blood Orders--the first with serial numbers up to about 1500 are maker marked by J. Fuess with a silver content of 990, and the second type with an 800 silver mark and no makers' markings. A second type with a marking on the rim would be highly suspicious. It would be interesting if you could post a picture so that we can see what else is wrong with it.
Erich

[Denis]

Hello
Thanks for your response. The only problem is that my firend cannot post any pic since he has no access to a digital camera.
I know it is always hard to give an opinion based only on words but I thank you for trying.
I will keep you informed if my friend can ahieve to take some photos.
Regards
Denis

[jmlguy]

Blutorden update

Hello,

I have an inquiry. A friend of mine has asked for my opinion about a blutorden but this is not my field and I would need knowledgeable fellow members' opinions.
Here is the description given by him :

- it is hallmarked 4433
- Also, it doesn't have the thin wire hanger attached.
- The maker's name is on the outside edge of the
medal (it's "Friedrich Orth Wien")
- there is a 800 silver content stamp

Sorry but there is no pic available for the moment.
In my opinion, I would say that the maker mark sounds bad because Blutorden were found
- either bearing a 990 silver content stamp with the J. Fuess caption,
- or with only a 800 silver content stamp and without any mention of the manufacturer.
But, as I told you before, Political awards are far from being my field so I can be totally wrong.

Who can help us ?
Many thanks in advance
Regards
Denis
PS : George D, feel free to add any comments to this post if necessary.

My Blutorden ,after comparison, does have the narrow hanger,and was obtained from a British dealer,Thorsten Belger

[torstenbel]

Jim, as you know the Blutorden I sold to you was sold and advertised by me as a copy. I did not claim for it to be original or not and the price was the price of a good copy and nothing like the price for an original and the Blutorden that Denis described here and asked for help about was the one that I had offered...if you remember, I put out the question of whether the Orden was original or not.. as it happens, I still do not know if it was original or not... anyhow, all over now...still, I hope that you are happy with your purchase...Cheers, Torsten Belger.

My Blutorden ,after comparison, does have the narrow hanger,and was obtained from a British dealer,Thorsten Belger

[torstenbel]

but I did provide the pics.. Cheers, Torsten.

Hello
Thanks for your response. The only problem is that my firend cannot post any pic since he has no access to a digital camera.
I know it is always hard to give an opinion based only on words but I thank you for trying.
I will keep you informed if my friend can ahieve to take some photos.
Regards
Denis