SS tinnies?? / Youth swimming award etc.

[sjl]

The green "Volksbund in Ungarn" is a fake. Among other things, it has the distinctive coffin-shaped pinplate only seen on modern copies of enamel badges.

Is the green and white Hitler cross for shooting or skiing?

[torstenbel]

that cross is very odd?? why does it say 2. Pfand on it? Cheers, Torsten.

[Military Trader]

It is a weird one -- It does look nice (not like a cheap fake) with nice green inlay. What does "2.Pfand" actually translate to? I couldn't find it.

[sjl]

Pfand means "Pledge", as in taking an oath. It may indicate the retaking (2nd) of the oath of allegiance to Hitler.

Kerpen is a town located about 30 kilometers southwest from Koln.

The badge has the look of an unofficial shooting association or military competition award, of which there were many. "S.S." can stand for the German for "Sharp shooter". "Sch. Br." can be "Schützen Brigade".

All just guesses until something better comes along.

[Military Trader]

Thanks -- I also thought maybe a shooting award

[torstenbel]

Pfand means "Pledge", as in taking an oath. It may indicate the retaking (2nd) of the oath of allegiance to Hitler.

Kerpen is a town located about 30 kilometers southwest from Koln.

The badge has the look of an unofficial shooting association or military competition award, of which there were many. "S.S." can stand for the German for "Sharp shooter". "Sch. Br." can be "Schützen Brigade".

All just guesses until something better comes along.

A Pledge, as in taking an oath in german is usually a Schwur und not a Pfand ... a Pfand usually is something else more physical like a token that you put in place to borrow another physical item ... however, medieval knights gave a 'Pfand' as part of their chivalric notions when they were for example released as a prisoner by another knight and swore to return to pay their debt to their former captor, etc.... but I agree, in the funny Third Reich language it is possible that the word Pfand may have been used to indicate a Schwur.

I do agree, that the SS here is nothing to do with the Schutzstaffeln, but is more likely something to do with a shooting club ... it could well be Standschuetzen or Stutzenschuetzen or something like that ... Cheers, Torsten.

[Gerdan]

In Kerpen is still today existing the "St. Sebastianus Schützen Brunderschaft". (shooting Club)
The abbreviation "S. S." could also mean "St. Sebastianus".

Gerdan

[torstenbel]

In Kerpen is still today existing the "St. Sebastianus Schützen Brunderschaft". (shooting Club)
The abbreviation "S. S." could also mean "St. Sebastianus".

Gerdan

well done Gerdan ... mystery solved .. Cheers, Torsten.

[Gerdan]

The correct name is Schützen Bruderschaft (= brotherhood).
I made a mistake. Sorry.

Gerdan

[Military Trader]

Very interesting Thanks all for their input.

[sjl]

That's why I love this forum - lots of smart people working on solving interesting questions. Thanks Gerdan and all for interesting detective work.

And it's a very nice cross.

Torsten, the English word (although not in use except now with criminals) for a chivalric promise is "Parole". What 2. Pfand means in this context is anyone's guess.

[speedytop]

Hi,

it is definetely the

St. Sebastianus Schützenbruderschaft Kerpen vor 1506 e. V.

I think, that the abreviation S.S.Sch.Br. was the shortest form they could find for the text on the small medal.

Pfand is the name for different parts on a bird, plural Pfänder.

The members and the guests of a shooting association shoot on different birds (Ehrenvogel, Königsvogel, Pfändervogel etc.), with a different number of the "Pfänder":

http://www.schuetzen-bilk.de/sb/A_70...uetzen....html

See here on picture 2 the "Pfändervogel", on picture 9 -12 the 4 "Pfänder", head, left wing, right wing and tail:

http://www.poppich-dropp.de/index-Dateien/Page1544.htm

The first one, who shot down a Pfand, received a special price (it could be a goose, it could even be a medal like this here in the thread, it could be both).
Than the 2nd, the 3rd and the 4th Pfand etc., the value of the prices goes down.
Or it could be a defined price/medal for a defined Pfand.
Several variations are possible.

And you can see medals/crosses with a Pfand on the center medaillon, No. A.39.9 - A39.19:

http://www.steinlueck.de/schuetzen/u...unterrubrik=50

Not guess, knowledge!

Regards
Uwe

[sjl]

It's what we call in North America a turkey shoot!

[torstenbel]

Hi Uwe, thank you .... Cheers, Torsten.

[Military Trader]

Thanks again -- I really like how collectively on the forum we can get something identified, even oddball stuff.