NSDAP 25 year Long Service award

[JoeW]

What a great find Stephen. And to think they might have worn all three grades in miniature on a ring on a bow tie of 15mm 25 yr grade ribbon.

Chris, I don't think the prototype you show can be the one shown in Angolia's FFF thirty years ago. That one has no seal cord through the solid ring as you can see in the photo below taken from page 219 of the book. Hartung was a contributor to Angolia's book though. If it was his, perhaps it was his seal, as it looks like a stylized "LH". Perhaps the purpose of the seal was confused over the past three decades. Do you know if he sold it as a sealed prototype?

[JoeW]

Sorry, duplicate post.

[Thomas Bendixen]

... So you are saying that Jeff's was cast from Stan's model resulting in the smaller but actual accurate original dimensions, as it has the same mold error in the feather and the "O" at the top. And the alleged casting was reassembled with the cross in reverse but the eagle/wreath at the same off level cant. I can't make a judgement on the comparative colors using digital photographs. Too many variables of type of light can afffect color.

Hi Joe

This thread is a bit confusing because theres three different subjects going on at the same time. I'm saying that Jeffs medal that started this thread
is the "flawed wing" type like Stans sample and since its smaller than Stans the logical conclusion would be that its a cast hereof.

Jeff, thanks for the additional pics that only cements my views that your cross is a cast fake. Since you are able to disregard one of the most respected dealers in this hobby I'm curious to hear what your views is on the subject? Do you think its good or bad?

Cheers Thomas

[Jeff Davis]

Hi Joe

This thread is a bit confusing because theres three different subjects going on at the same time. I'm saying that Jeffs medal that started this thread
is the "flawed wing" type like Stans sample and since its smaller than Stans the logical conclusion would be that its a cast hereof.

Jeff, thanks for the additional pics that only cements my views that your cross is a cast fake. Since you are able to disregard one of the most respected dealers in this hobby I'm curious to hear what your views is on the subject? Do you think its good or bad?

Cheers Thomas

Thomas,

I believe the cross in my possesion is good. That is why I put it on estand for sale or trade. I would not have posted it there if I had any doubts. I started this thread because I was confused as to the information I was reading about these particular pieces. Seems as if there are more thumbs up than down, but this thread has kind of drifted into different subjects. I although thank everyone for all of the imput on this thread. I, and I am sure others, have learned a great deal.

Mr. Niemann, no doubt, is a very respected dealer in this hobby. I have a small problem when dealers are also authorities in the subject. His opinion is and has always been respected by me, but in MHO it is not the bible. There are always problems when one individual is given to much power.

I better just stop there.

For this reason I do not collect just badges anymore, I only seek them out to complete a bust uniform display.

Respectfully, Jeff

[JoeW]

Thomas, I am sorry for confusing this thread with the digression from the original question of Jeff at the beginning. But I think this has been a most valuable thread in that it has focused some great discussion on the entire subject of 25 year NSDAP awards as well as providing links to other common threads on the same subject. Heck, I might suggest it be pinned as it would eliminate the need to use the search engine and provide most if not all the data available.

Your comments are well reasoned and would be without fault, but for the fact that Jeff's 25 year award is not like Stan's. It has the flawed wing true, but Stan's lacks the "o" on the top arm of the cross, a part of the casting die, that is on Jeff's award. Jeff's is similar to ChrisH's whose award having both the wing flaw and the "O" (but on the opposite side of the arm) was discussed on a link in this thread. I mentioned it in my comment to Stan in which I confused his with Jeff's and ChrisH's. So Jeff's award being smaller than Stan's proves nothing. It is the same size as "19" marked 25 year awards. The comparison should be to Chris's.

[Kryptos]

Considering the photo of the 2 pieces together, the differences are quite obvious. I would not want to add the piece under discusion to my collection.

If it was me, I would take this post under serious consideration.

[Seigfried]

I have asked for further pics, dimensions and whether there is a ring stamp.

What do you think of this one?

[Seigfried]

obverse

[Seigfried]

better pics

[Seigfried]

42.5mm wide and 47mm tall from the base of the cross arm to the top of the eyelet.
The ring is not marked. The roundels are separately applied.

[Max_Porter]

Hello John,

please don´t buy that one - it´s not an original piece.


Best Regards

Max_POrter

[Seigfried]

Thank you Max - and for the PMs from others. It confirms things for me

This is on a respected dealers site who I am frankly surprised at. They must know it is bad as it is priced relatively cheap and is still on todays update, it would have gone by now if it was good for the price

[Jon Fish]

John, I started at the price point (too cheap) then researched back, don't like it either.

[ErichS]

Who's the dealer?

[Seigfried]

Thank you Max - and for the PMs from others. It confirms things for me

This is on a respected dealers site who I am frankly surprised at. They must know it is bad as it is priced relatively cheap and is still on todays update, it would have gone by now if it was good for the price

After some deliberation I emailed the dealer and told him of the general opinions on this cross. I also explained that I only did so because of his good reputation - to his credit the cross has been removed from sale.