Deutschland Erwache 1933 badge on e-stand

[Peppe864]

I am not so sure about this one, but please enlighten me. Was the RZM-marking in use 1933, IMO no......but let´s hear what you other guys have to say about this one.......

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=305918

[wolfeknives]

I believe this is a fantasy piece. See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=erwache .The one shown is very similar.
Wolfgang

[Peppe864]

I believe this is a fantasy piece. See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=erwache .The one shown is very similar.
Wolfgang

I saw that thread to Wolfgang, it is very similar, only small differences.

I don´t like it.....................

[wolfeknives]

Yes...... I can't believe that it would have been permitted to use the design of the official membership pin as a base for a tinnie.
Wolfgang

[Milton]

Well gents, discussion is all fine and well, but I've seen (and possessed) numerous variations of these types of badges, not to mention others such as the "Hitler Bewegung Ost Laender" types, etc, ALL of which were based on the "standard" party types. I also have others (all of which were WWII veteran acquired) which have NO words on the front, "Heil Hilter 1933", etc, etc, all of which are right as rain. There are numerous variations of these badges. As the one referenced in the Danish auction has no photo of the rear, and only a low-quality, small photo of the front of the badge, it hardly qualifies as a valid reference. If ayone can provide something other than opinions or speculation as to why this particular piece is wrong, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I've no reason to doubt it. As for whether or not the RZM marking was in use in 1933 is irrelevant, as this piece was made to commemorate the year the Nazis took power, not necessarily the year it was made. Thx.

[sjl]

There is no evidence these badges were ever issued as "commemoratives" - the year you see is the year they were issued as electioneering / support badges. The "Adolf Hitler 1933" badge was issued in 1933 for the elections that year.

The famous "Heil Hitler, Ludendoff v. Grafe" badge was issued somewhere around 1923-25, and woudl not have been a post RZM commemorative, as RZM markings started at the earliest in December, 1934, and by 1933 Ludendorff was already denouncing Hitler publicly as a power-hungry maniac. I Doubt they would be giving him any good press by issuing a "commemorative" of him after that date.

I have trouble with the RZM marked pieces, as they should all date from before the RZM got into full swing. Plus, they were not officially "NSDAP" badges, which is the only insignia the RZM was supposed to mark. Also, they do not appear in any RZM regs I have seen.

Genuine badges of this sort existed, but are either unmarked or marked only with "GES. GESCH.".

[Carson]

I am unfamiliar with an RZM being on these pieces, but I am here to learn.

To me, the definitive answer would come from Mike Pinkus or James Noble. (Sorry... forgot about Stephen too!)

I look forward to learning about this pin. My original is marked Ges. Gesch. with a DRGM.

[wolfeknives]

Milton, sorry I stand corrected. I have now read all the threads regarding this badge I could find on the forum. I did learn something. I should not have commented with only limited knowledge remebered from past reading. I certainly was under the impression that these never existed.
Wolfgang

[Milton]

Hello again gents. Good discussion here. Most of my offerings come straight from the best sources (WWII vets or their estates), which doesn't necessarily make for QUANTITY but typically quality (and provenance) are assured. That's not to say that one doesn't occasionally slip under the wire, but w/o any solid reference to known repro's, I'm loathe to just pass this one off as such. As I've seen and possessed numerous variations of these "patriotic" type badges over the years, I've never had a reason to take issue w/ variants. If anyone has any direct reference to known repro's of this badge with which to make a comparison, I'd be interested to see it. Regarding the RZM markings, absolutely they were intended to be solely utilized on "political" (party) regalia, but we've probably all seen the examples of II Luftwaffe dagger hangers w/ RZM markings as well?? One can only imagine that deviations from the norm did exist. Regardless, I can appreciate the interest this has sparked and if anyone has any further information based on known examples, (originals and / or reproductions), I'd be interested to receive it. Thx.

[RaymondG]

Hi

I think this is a reproduction piece for various reasons, from the quality of the front to the RZM and Ges Gesch markings on the back.

This one looks like a reproduction piece that is commercially available on some repro seller sites, and sold as such. There is also an 'Adolf Hitler 1933' that is manufactured in a similar style.

Here are a few similar offerings on the net to compare with. The images are not that good, but it may help others when comparing:

http://www.epicmilitaria.com/product...1933-pin-badge

http://www.militarymedals.com.au/Ger...lectibles.html

http://www.pzg.biz/regalia_lapel_pins.htm

http://www.germanmedals.biz/catalog/...roducts_id=339

[Milton]

Ray, thanks for posting the links to the references. I actually saw some of these late last night after doing an on line search. The badge I'm offering differs substantially from those in the links:
1. None of the repro's shown are done in brass base metal as is mine.
2. All of them have very "thick" or too thin swastikas
3. The ones that show a reverse image have pins that are either too thin or too long (and extend beyond the edges of the circumference of the pin.

In regards to the quality and details, perhaps the photos don't do it justice, but in person the quality and details of my badge are very nice.

These are only the details that were immediately apparent. I have several other examples of these types of badges that are direct vet purchases and this one pretty much conforms w/ the details extant on other original examples. Both these, and the "Adolf Hitler 1933" badges were absolutely worn in the period, and of course, repro's certainly abound, but as yet, nothing I've seen on any of these dealer's sites conforms to the details of this particular badge. Appreciate your efforts in providing the links! Thx.