HJ table medals

[Garry M.]

We haven't done these for a while so I thought I'd start a thread to see whether anything new has come to light since the last time they were discussed. I have a couple which I took because they were cheap but the only thing I have ever found which seems to lend them some credibility is the huge HJ set sold by Klaus Butschek earlier this year. The boy concerned, Franz Zigon, had won a few of this type of table medal (two different sizes) during his swimming career during the TR.

Does anyone else have any general thoughts on these medals. I know many collectors consider them to be fantasy products but the Franz Zigon set certainly gives food for thought.

Link to the auction:

http://www.klaus-butschek.com/index....e67a4.13550910

Here are mine:





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[Garry M.]

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[Paul70]

I have wondered about these as well. I saw some advertised as repo that were somewhat bubbly on the back

Paul

[stuart a.]

only have one of these allways thought they where good especially after seeing the large set that was sold on klaus butchek`s site
heres mine
stu

[railhouse]

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Hi have one too butt i dont like it the other that i have in my collection is more invidual disign butt this one is have the similar disign in many different place and different countrys and the disign off the eagle feel wrong this is only a opinion no hard proof regaqrds tomas

[Garry M.]

Cheers for the answers guys. I guess it's always going to be difficult to know which are the real ones and which are the fakes with this relatively simple design.

I seem to remember that the Frank Zigon set was on the estand months ago before being sold on Klaus Butschek's site? Certainly a couple of us asked for detailed pictures of one of the table medals but no assistance was forthcoming from the seller as he didn't want to pull one off the card. Fair enough but it would have been a great help seeing one to be honest. I don't suppose anyone knows who owns that set now?

[railhouse]

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Hi schmusi i have one from prage and one from linz ishocky speerwurf and one for swimming and i have found proof that the competiton have take place in this citys but i still dont like them . The medal and the case is identical and the year is 1940 and 1941.Is ther any one that have from some other city and year regards tomas

[Garry M.]

Hi tomas, mine are both Prag. One is Speerwurf 1941 and the other is Eishockey 1943.

The Eishockey competition has its own WIKI entry which is nice. Doesn't make the medal any more authentic but at least I know more about the competition

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meister...ren_(Eishockey)

Can you help with the javelin medal?

[Garry M.]

I was bored and took the guts out of one of the cases to see whether anything glaringly 'non-period' was hiding in there. Well, nothing glows under UV and the glue certainly looks typical with its brown colouring and crazing. I just wish that the cases looked, I don't know... older? Does anyone have any thoughts on the case?

[Ron Weinand]

I have one dated 1943 from Graz and it is for fencing first place. I have always beleived that these were period and that they mainly existed in Austria. As they have appeared in groupings that have good background, I find it hard to believe they are reproductions.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

[Garry M.]

Thanks Ron. Starting to regret pulling that case apart now