This Blue swastika pin was in a vet souvenir group with also a lot of tinnies and 1 regular party pin (and an original Zimmerman <metal> SS visor cap eagle!). Its 100% original but what (sub)organization is this? Thanks Nick
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Not third Reich but Finnish IMO.
Then again I thought the Finnish swaz to be straight and not on an angle.
Was he a member of the American 45th Infantry Division ?
They used a swastika as a symbol too.
So either Finnish or 45th ?
Am curious too now
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May we see the reverse please.
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DonComment
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No not from the Thunderbird Division vet (yellow swazi on red pre-war) I was actually hoping it was a Finnish airforce related pin as I pinned it on a Finnish airforce uniform...That's the back ground material you are seeing...a Finnish Summer tunic BUT its RZM marked... So German? or fake? All the other items from this vet obtained grouped are 100%...Originally posted by MarkChrisFrank View PostLast edited by NickG; 06-30-2007, 08:57 PM.Comment
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more pics!
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back is RZM 41 marked... and the pin device swivels (here in the "up" position)...strange...Comment
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in black
Here a twin of this pin from the same group but now in blackComment
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Here's the back of the black one, identical markings... Again same strange safety pin, here in the hinged "down" position.... as it swivels... RZM 41 marked like the blue swazi one...Last edited by NickG; 07-01-2007, 12:30 AM.Comment
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RZM excludes Finnish now doesnt it.
Maybe some early nazi party support pins ?
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It's only an opinion, but I feel these are more than likley post war... Can't really say why but things like the RZM being stamped in (at least it looks like it in the photos), the swivling pin, plus a few other points worry me.
Hopefully I'm wrong.
Cheers
DonComment
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in my book they are both fake's look at the rzm mark these mark's with dubbel circel need a center stripe on the z these badge's dont have a stripe fake i sayComment
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in my book they are both fake's look at the rzm mark these mark's with dubbel circel need a center stripe on the z these badge's dont have a stripe fake i sayComment
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Don is hardly ever wrong, and he's right here. These are post-war fakes. They used to be available through a company called WWII Inc. for about $3 each. The fake RZM mark and swivel pin is a give away, plus they are usually a chrome / nickel finish.Originally posted by Don Scowen View Post
The comment about acceptable RZM marks is not right, if I understand it. Single and double circle logos are acceptable, as well as the Z with and without the cross stroke. All are possible period. Robin Lumsden's early book "Detecting the Fakes" has it wrong, and he and I have written back and forth and he now believes his statement in that book was wrong.
The RZM logo displayed on these badges is what is called the "canted M", which also indicates a fake.Comment
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Thanks Guys! I had my suspicions about these eventhough these came in a so-called "vet lot"... with some real nice items like a party flag, NSDAP collar tabs, Assman marked LW cap eagle, Zimmerman RZM SS cap eagle, standard enameled NSDAP party pin, KVK medal and some patches... So no loss really!Like the saying goes; believe in the piece not the story!
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Don and Stephen are correct on this...this is a widely circulated fake pin...
mike
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