Need help with Adolf Hitler and Erwache NSDAP badges

[igneous]

Could anyone help me determine if these badges are real or fake before I purchase them?

The first one is an Adolf Hitler badge without RZM marking but with Ges. Gesch.


The second one is an Erwache badge with the RZM marking and Ges. Gesch.


Both look fine to me, but I'm not an expert.
Thanx in advance

[Gregorio Torres]

Wait for more oppinions, but I think they both are fantasy items.

[Terry OToole]

they look like the crap adlerflug sells i don t like them

[Wiegert]

adlerflug. I got one good piece from the few pieces I got from him. Beware he doesnt know good from bad. I dont deal with the @$$ any more. He is definately one of the Snyder Treasures of eBay!!!

[Von Hoth]

how do they simulate aging so well on them?

I heard they chemically age them but with what?

I can't believe all the trouble people go through just to make and sell fakes.
When all you have to do is order fake designer hand-bags from China by the case, then sell them in the cities of American and you would make tons more profit and not have to do any labor and artistry of making a little 5 dollar pin look 68 years old. That is so gay.

[Terry OToole]

the pin plates on the back of these always look more raised than genuine ones

[sjl]

There's a lot of cheap ways to artificially age metal. Basic corrosives like acid (swimming pool acid) or bases like drug store ammonia will do it. You can bury them in a $2 box of table or road salt as well, or even a bottle of Coke. Look under your kitchen counter, and if it says "Warning - corrosive", it will do the trick.

Look for other things too, like grinding, sanding, wire brush marks. Sometimes people will put a bag of badges in a rock tumbler or dryer to bang them around a bit.

Luckily, artificial aging is pretty easy to spot. As a rule, most real badges will show gentle oxidation or patina, not big green or red spots.

[igneous]

I guess this means a for both of them.
I think the second one looks really naturally aged, nice job if it's a fake.
But because they are uncommon, they could be easally faked and sold for a nice price. Maybe I've to stick to the NSDAP 1933 pins.

[sjl]

Actually, badge #2 looks the most artificially aged. Extreme and uneven oxidation shows how modern aging of fakes is usually overdone. Artificial aging is a hard process to control.

On originals you usually look for nice even and gentle patina (oxidation) that comes naturally from 60 years exposure to air, not an hour of acid.