DDAC pins

[pavels_2005]

Hi, I need help with identification ( or some information ) of this 2 DDAC pins.

The enameled I found in the catalogue only with years 1934, 1937 and 1938.
But this one has 1939.

The other one I did not see in any catalogue, it is made from silver and marked 900 at the back side.

Does anybody know some more information for this pins. What is the worth?

Thanks Pavel

[pavels_2005]

new pictures

Sorry, here are the pictures again :

[martin3]

DDAC = Der Deutsche Automobil-Club (German Automobile Club)

Nowadays the same as ADAC I believe.
First one is just an anually membership pin I think, the second might be an anniversary pin.

Best regards,
Martin

[Don Scowen]

According to Angolia's & Littlejohns book on the NSKK & NSFK, the issuing of the dated Ehrennadel of the DDAC ceased after 1938.

I'm also worried about the other silver pin you show, it looks to be based on the old ADAC aniverary pin, but with a Swastika in place of where the number of years would be.

I'm not sure that I like either of them, I'd say fake/fantasy if I was pushed to a decision.

Cheers
Don

[Ron Weinand]

They sure don't look like the originals to me. No quality here. Look at the pins and the grooves. I would pass.
Ron Weinand

[martin3]

Why do I still live in a world where I like to think people do not take the trouble of forging such a small dollar business as tinnies?
Time for me to wake up, I guess...

[Don Scowen]

Martin3, I strongly suspect that there is a (very good) new fake of the Kleingärtner pin currently on the market. If I am correct, then the fake actually sells for more than an original......

Cheers
Don

[martin3]

Don, I strongly believe that there will be a time when people say: 'I don't want it, it might be original!'

I saw the Kleingärtner every now and then appear on Epier, you know: that place where everything for sure is repro.
So I had that one on the suspicious list.

In what kind of world are we living, when even the Wehrmacht condom is being faked?

Best regards,
Martin

[CWP]

I have a couple of those condoms, are they really fake? (seriously)

[martin3]

Hi Chris,

I do not say yours are fake, but they indeed are faked!
You could place a picture of the issue packet on the cases and packets forum.
I am sure they can help you out.
The paperkind and designation can tell you all, so for sure they can help you.

Now the condom is a different story, I will have to try it on to feel the difference...

Best regards,
Martin

[pavels_2005]

details

Hi, here are some details to the pins I have posted:

I bought the pins from an old collector. It was a part of a set of 10 pins that I bought from him. All this pins were in a box, the box is marked Gebr. Hemmerle München, Maximillianstrasse.

Maybe the box belongs to some pin of this set. ( see the set + box attached )

I did clean the pins a little bit, at the foto are the pins before cleaning.

I dont think the pins are fake of fantasy, I sent the pictures to Helmut Weitze and he confirmed that all of them are originals.

Does somebody have more details????

Thanks Pavel

[Lyn Islaub]

I'm unsure about the second of these two DDAC pins, but I believe the first dated, 1939, to be authentic. There was also one almost identical to it, but dated 1934 that is much more commonly seen. The construction is absolutely correct for the period and the wide spaced knurling on the pin is representative of pre-WW2 German pin construction. I have examples of both of the 1934 and 1939 versions and bought them both from Detlev some years ago.
The second pin also demonstrates the correct construction, but I am unable to find any reference to it in my library. There were a lot of DDAC comemorative pins manufatured back in the pre-war NSDAP period and not all of them are pictured in reference books.
My 2 cents worth,
Lyn