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**James Noble** · 02-13-2003, 03:04 AM

Looks like the ones seen on buildings above doorways

**Kevin Sanders** · 02-13-2003, 08:17 AM

Deutches Adler

Agree with James... you often saw this type German Eagle adorning entrances to official building or as a backdrop to a Party function. I remember seeing outlines of the same type thing on buildings when I was in Germany (70's).

I am sure the membership would be interested in the story behind this piece....

**Rick Research** · 02-13-2003, 08:57 AM

These were also bolted onto Reichsbahn railway carriages.

What method of attachment is on back?

**G May** · 02-13-2003, 09:57 AM

reverse

Hi, Here is the reverse. Has a steel hook and the four post. Between the legs is also marked LOK RZA5 BERL. The eagle's head is facing the direction as all the police items I've seen. Wish I had a facinating story with the item but found it a few miles from the house from an older gent that had it in his closet 40+ years. I'm trying to downsize these photos but having no success. Thanks, G May

**VerKuilen Ager** · 02-13-2003, 06:02 PM

Looks to be a reproduction of the classic "railway eagle". What appear to be standoffs on the back should actually be threaded in the center so the thing could be bolted to the railway car. Originals quite commonly have these mounting posts hacksawed somewhat crudely because that was the easiest way for souvenir hunters to get them off. There's often matching damage at the edges because it wasn't easy to saw in the limited space. One I once had also had the end of the wing bent forward somewhat, which had cracked the metal (the aluminum being fairly brittle). Either the G.I. tried to pry it off first, or bent the thing to get better access to the mounts.

These have been copied for many years and originally sold in the $50-75 range but they now seem to be running several times that. Some of these are chemically aged so they can be passed off as originals, as it would be extremely unusual to see a wartime piece in this kind of minty condition.

**G May** · 02-13-2003, 08:49 PM

sawmarks

Hi, The four post look to have been sawed off. Hope the photo shows this. One of the wings is bent up some as it will not lay flat on the table. It will rock back and forth leaving one post in the air about an inch. The condition itself is nice but its been inside for 40+ years. I have other " minty" items that are not repo so the condition itself isn't a problem for me. Are there any other factors that would warrant repo? I may be wrong ( would be the 100th time today) but I think its good. Thanks,

G May

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**Erich B.** · 02-14-2003, 11:16 AM

Eagle

As noted by Histaria, this is definitely a train eagle--it's very tough to judge originality of these from photos. The originals are cast light alloy, as are some of the copies. Looks impressive, whether original or not. Usually the mounting studs are cut off closer to the eagle (i.e. they're shorter).
Erich

**Richard** · 02-14-2003, 06:56 PM

Definitely a railway type eagle. I would not know about the genuineness of the piece though. The word "Lok" means engine (as in the engine of a train, not a motor type engine).
Richard V

**James Noble** · 02-15-2003, 07:43 PM

Another translation for Loc is locomotive. Original which I lean too as the detailing so good, or not it sure would look great on the wall above a 3rd Reich display case.

**Richard** · 02-16-2003, 12:01 PM

James, thanks for the locomotive translation. I spent 5 minutes trying to figure out the name for "the thing that pulls the train" and couldn't thing of anything but engine!
Richard V

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