Is there someone who can tell if this logo design was used until the end of the TR era, or was it used only used in the early years? This is remotely tied into a pennant question that I posted earlier (and hope to be able to add some pics to shortly). Any input will greatly help me in some research on the type of ties used on the pennant I am considering. Since the RZM is visible on this piece, it was used at least until 1935...but after? Thanks in advance.
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I was under the impression that these were pre-RZM???
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Hi,
sorry but this badge is a fake.
This is a early pin for the HJ, this design was abandoned in late 1932 when the common HJ diamond pin.
As a pre-1934 pin, they should only be marked " GES. GESCH." or a maker name on the reverse.
Never RZM.
Ciao
Massimo / Gew44Comment
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Hi,
Thank you both very much for the info. This information will be useful to me in further evaluating the pennant I am considering. It has this design on one side, and the standard HJ diamond on the other side. I hope to get some pics in s day or two and post in the appropriate forum. I was hoping this design would help me date the pennant, so now i have a little more to go on.
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Sorry, Massimo, but you have in a mistake if you say that this is a fake just for the text printed in the back side.
This kind of badge continued in production after 1932, because it was consideered as a tradition badge. A lot of them have the correct RZM and GES.GESCH. marks.
I think that in the Organisation Buch der NSDAP (1943 edition) still you can find this badge as a tradition one.
You can get more info in reference books about HJ. I recomend you the Bender Publishing´s (2 vol.).
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About the penant, several models exist with this badge, and all are related with old guard units. See the Benders publishing HJ book in the vol 2.
Regards from Spain.Comment
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Can you post a copy of the relevant page of this Organisation Buch?Originally posted by Gregorio Torres
I do not have a copy of the Bender book in question but I know that Cone mentions the 1932 limit. I guess this is where Stephen Lautens may have got his info for his own book. Any further comments from anyone else?Comment
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Terry: Unfortunately I can´t post pictures in this forum yet. But I´ll see the exact page and i´ll tell you next monday. I´d like to advise I can be mistaken respect the books, because I´m talking trusting in my memory, very bad often, by the way, but not about the existence of original traditions Hj pins RZM marked, and so post 1932 made.
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I was looking in my books and unfortunately I haven´t now in my home the Angolias Hitlerjugend vol 1. Please if somebody have it, look for info about this badge inside. And the other reference book that I remembered is Das Buch der NSDAP, printed in Berlin in 1934 (I mistake it with Organization Buch der NSDAP). In the bild number 183 you can see the two differents models of HJ badge. The tradition one come with the text: HJ, nach jähriger Zugehörigkeit. I don´t understand german very well but I imagine the meaning is: For HJ members with more than 1 years belongin to the organization.
If somebody wish to see this page and post it in this forum please send me a pm with the email and I send the picture in jpg.
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I agree with Gregorio that the badge shown is an original 'tradition' badge.Comment
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Thank you for your intervention Robin. It seem that I have learnt a lot thanks to your books.
Best Regards from Spain.Last edited by Gregorio Torres; 02-25-2006, 10:37 AM.Comment
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Thanks to all who replied. In case you are interested, here is the pennant that triggered the questions...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=1#post1294757Comment
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