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    Hitler's Golden Party Badge. Help!

    In the book about political awards I for the first time have published photos of the return side of one of the Golden Party Badges taken from burnt bodies of Josef and Magda Goebbels.

    On a badge of Josef number 22, on a badge of Magda number 29. The badge has presented for Magda at numerous witnesses Adolf Hitler. From here the first obvious conclusion - party number of Hitler 29.

    It is very interesting to me, whether it is known from documentary sources (not from books of various authors without the indication of documents) what party number of Hitler and Goebbels?

    KGB never named numbers of these badges. I do the following assumptions:

    - It was not written initially down, from what body what badge was taken. Then, if badges are mixed, party number of Hitler 22 or 29.

    - If from a documentary source it is known, that party number of Hitler NOT 22 or 29, destroying bodies SS-manns could change a badge, or the one who had access to bodies and has changed the badge with number 22 or 29 for a badge of Hitler from a body of Magda Goebbels! If it is known, who carried party number 22 or 29, that and has changed the badge for a badge of Hitler!

    - The third assumption, that have changed a badge in archive of KGB. It is poorly probable, you see any party badge with such small number is very uneasy to find! Though if the person with such party number was in Soviet to a captivity, his badge could be in someone's hands.

    For me it is one of the most intriguing riddles of death of Hitler! This riddle can be resolved if to find the document (not the assumption) about that who had party numbers 22 and 29!

    I ask everyone who can have documentary confirmed data to help me to resolve one of riddles of the last war!

    Wlad Rusfront
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    AH's Gold Party Badge

    Hitler's NSDAP membership number was #1 - he took it at the refounding of the NSDAP after his release from prison. Before that he was member 555 of the orginal (pre-1923) DAP. His NSDAP membership card with Party No. 1 shown is in the US Army Archives.

    Any badge that shows a different number was not his.

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      #3
      AH - No. 1

      Here is another thread discussing Hitler's GPB and party number, including a photo of his NSDAP membership card showing No. 1:

      http://daggers.infopop.net/2/OpenTop...463#4473035463

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        #4
        AH was not #1

        While the post above has a link with a good explanation of how/why Hitler never was NDSAP member #1, it just seemed to me that is was not obvious... Hitler (or an associate) 'doctored' his membership card to give him a phony seniority in the party.
        One shrewd and historical commentator made the statement that der Adolf never had a truly original thought, and was an opportunistic idler, hence his seizing his chance in the NDSAP... nice to hear, after all of these years, guess no one was analyzing or thinking during the 20's and 30's....

        B. Rgds,

        Phil


        'Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.'

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          MEMBER NUMBER SEVEN?

          "Hitler joined the DAP* as member number 555, but the Nazis subsequently buried this fact and claimed that Hitler was member number seven. Anton Drexler, the founder of the DAP, even wrote the Fuehrer in 1940: 'Nobody knows better than yourself, my Fuehrer, that you were never the seventh member of the party, but at best the seventh member of the committee when I asked you to step in as propaganda representative. A few years ago I was forced to complain about this at a party meeting, that your first German Workers' card which carried Shuessler's signature had been falsified whereby the number 555 had been deleted and the number seven inserted... How much better and more valuable it would be for posterity if the course of history had been portrayed as it really happened."moremad

          (This from 'Inside Hitler's Germany by Matthew Hughes and Chris Mann pub: Bown Partworks Ltd 2000)
          So, lets see, from party number 555 (membership card) tp altered membership card number 7... but then Party Badge Number 22 or 29 - or 555 or 7 or 1 ??
          Enigma - Puzzle - Riddle.. One would have had to have been there... When first you set out to decieve, what a tangled web do you weave!


          Rgds,

          Phil

          *Later named the NDSAP moremad
          Last edited by Phil DeWitt; 02-17-2003, 03:20 AM.

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            #6
            Hitler joined the party with number 55 !!!! All the party cards started in the 500 series. Hence his original card stated 555. He was the 7th member of the leadership commitee. After 1925 when Hitler re-organized the party he took # 1. No mystery --the only deception was Drexler trying to falsly increase the # of members by issuing cards starting with 500.

            Mark

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              #7
              Mr. Costa:

              Outstanding bit of informaiton - could you please share your

              reference material on this one, would be most appreciated!!

              All the best,

              Phil


              "I see nothing, I know nothing."

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                #8
                When Hitler took over the membership and leadership of the DAP, the organization was recreated and renamed the NSDAP, from which Hitler made himself member number 1. He was the 55th paying member of the DAP, and my collegue above is correct that the DAP ID cards were numbered from 500 to inflate the membership. Hitler was the 7th member of the leadership counsil of the DAP, involved in promotion of the DAP, or propaganda, if you like.


                Please try to separate the DAP from its' blossom, the NSDAP.

                Bob Hritz
                In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                  #9
                  Bob is quite right - Hitler was officially no. 555 of the DAP, but actually its 55th member, since they started at 500 to look bigger. Most modern bios have this right - see Kershaw's incredible 2-volume bio.

                  Hitler claimed to be "Parteigenossen nummer 7", but was fudging the difference between being the 7th man in on the executive of the DAP and party member no. 7 (which he clearly wasn't - see the photo of his 555 card in J. Toland's Hitler). Hitler repeated the lie in Mein Kampf - which is dubious for it's historical accuracy at best.

                  The problem started when respected English-speaking historians took Mein Kampf at face value - like Allan Bullock, who repeated the myth as fact.

                  When the NSDAP was refounded in 1925 following his release from Landsberg Prison, Hitler took Party no. 1. He also took SA member no. 1, later NSKK no. 1, etc. He wanted no doubt who number 1 was. His Party membership card with no. 1 on it is in the US Army Archives.

                  Magda Goebbels only had an Honour Gold Party Badge (un-numbered) awarded Jan. 30, 1943 and so inscribed on the reverse. Dr. Josef Goebbels joined the NSDAP on 9.12.1925 with NSDAP membership number 8762, which would be on the back of his badge.

                  I think the truth is that Hitler's Gold Party Badge (no. 1) was either lost in the rubble of Berlin, or tossed in the garbage by the Russians somewhere between Berlin and the NKVD archives, since they had no real interest in medals. Later they decided that "one of these has to belong to Hitler - how about this one?"

                  I don't have either 22 or 29 in my database of GPBs, but they belonged neither to the Goebbels or Hitler.

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                    #10
                    Hitler's Blood Order

                    Interestingly, Hitler's Blood Order was hand engraved with a large number 1 in the normal place where the order would have been stamped with the number. I saw this on the shirt that Mohawk Arms had purchased from the wife of the Sargeant who removed it from the Munich apartment.
                    This shirt, along with the pinned on awards, became the center of a lawsuit involving Mohawk Arms, the US veteran, the Bavarian Government and other parties during the early 1960s. So famous, the verdict was used in various law books and business law books of the late 1960s and was in my business law book in 1968 when I was in Pharmacy School.
                    I examined the shirt and medals at one of the OVMS Shows in Cincinnati in the 1970s at Mohawk Arms table.
                    Ron Weinand
                    Weinand Militaria

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                      #11
                      This has been hashed out before here and came to no conclusion.

                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=66370

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                        #12
                        Hitler's First Party ID

                        The complete story surrounding the issuance, return, and safekeeping of Hitler's DAP card #555 by the Party Clerk at the time who ultimately gave the card to CPT Henry Klein in Furstenfeldbruck in 1946 and which was return to this country and published in the Cumberland Times on Sept. 2, 1947 was published in the Max Gazette Vol. 1, No. 4, October 1994 along with several pictures. If you want a copy, message me.

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