WHW - Fakes?

[torstenbel]

Hi Guys,

I am not aware of any and I have not heard any rumours, but I would be interested to know if any of you guys know of or are aware of any of the various WHW collection tinnies, badges and other items being faked???

Hope to hear from you....Cheers, Torsten.

[torstenbel]

since there are no responses, I guess then that means that there are absolutely no WHW fake items out there??...surprising, but I guess that is the way it is then... Cheers, Torsten.

[Richard]

Torsten, I've never seen or heard of any WHW tinnies being faked. That doesn't mean that they are not as I've even seen the ever so common "Seefahrt ist Not" tinnie faked. I think the WHW field is still a relatively safe field in our realm of collecting.
Richard V

[torstenbel]

Torsten, I've never seen or heard of any WHW tinnies being faked. That doesn't mean that they are not as I've even seen the ever so common "Seefahrt ist Not" tinnie faked. I think the WHW field is still a relatively safe field in our realm of collecting.
Richard V

exactly...because I have seen seemingly very commong and 'cheap' medals and tinnies being faked I was wondering about the WHW items??...because a lot of them are moulded plastic, I guess it would be relatively easy for someone to make up a mould and start producing some of them....but I have not heard of anyone doing that and I guess good moulds are quite expensive to make and whoever would make one would never be able to sell the numbers needed to pay for the mould... so, I guess this area should be fairly safe for the forseeable future....CHeers, Torsten.

[Robert P.]

Torsten, I've never seen or heard of any WHW tinnies being faked. That doesn't mean that they are not as I've even seen the ever so common "Seefahrt ist Not" tinnie faked. I think the WHW field is still a relatively safe field in our realm of collecting.
Richard V

I collect exclusively the Seefahrt tinnie. Do you have an example of a fake Seefahrt tinnie, or a link showing the rear of one?

Robert

[torstenbel]

I collect exclusively the Seefahrt tinnie. Do you have an example of a fake Seefahrt tinnie, or a link showing the rear of one?

Robert

Hi Robert, I recall a thread somewhere on this forum about a year or so ago where fakes of the Seefahrt tinnie were discussed...I suspect it would have been in this subforum? Cheers, Torsten.

[Robert P.]

By chance do you remember the maker of this fake?

Robert

[torstenbel]

By chance do you remember the maker of this fake?

Robert

No I do not, but I think it was listed for sale on a Polish website ... listed as a fake and I think it was listed for $20 a piece...I remember being disappointed that they did not show the reverse side of the tinnie, but only the front...search through the old threads a little and I am sure that you will find it sooner or later ... it probably was being discussed in this subforum? Cheers, Torsten.

[Robert P.]

Thank you, yes, I just found it too in the subforums, just the obverse. It's too bad they don't list the reverse view! Who would think they would tool up to make the Seefahrt tinnie? How much do they make off of each one, five cents?

Thank you,
Robert

[Robert P.]

Yes, I believe these fakes are made in Poland or ?, but are sold through a site in Montana as reproduction/replica items, not originals: http://www.soldat.com/ I'm going to try and contact them and get a photo sent of the rear if they haven't already sold it.

I just spoke with the owner of the company who warns me that these pieces are just reproductions, and he DOES NOT SELL AS ORIGINALS. It's interesting to note that the earlier Seefahrt tinnies that he sold from an old overseas supplier were unmistakably cast pieces, and would never fool a collector. The new pieces he buys now from a new foreign supplier are much better, being stamped like the originals. I'm going to buy one, and when it arrives, I'll post it here. He doesn't have any photos on hand, and doesn't know if they were stamped on the rear. For a mere $20.00 it will be interesting to see what the foreign makers are producing today in the way of Seefahrt tinnies.

Robert

Robert

[torstenbel]

Hi Robert, I would certainly be very interested to see pics of the fake that you are buying...thank you for being the guineapig... Cheers, Torsten.

[James Noble]

Check out this site you will find the Seefahrt tinnie listed under badges. http://www.germanmedals.biz/catalog/

[Robert P.]

Check out this site you will find the Seefahrt tinnie listed under badges. http://www.germanmedals.biz/catalog/

Thanks James,

A very poor stamping. I hope the other piece is this poor in quality. We'll have no problem with pieces like these.

Robert

[torstenbel]

to come back to the subject of the thread...anyone know if any WHW fakes out there? Cheers, Torsten.

[Richard]

I find it ironic that the repro Seefahrt tinnies are being offered for about the price of the genuine item. To get back on subject, though, I think the reason that the WHW items are not faked is that most are not collected very widely. Most also have benign themes such as flowers, animals, structures, cities and the like rather than anything military or political. There are a few exceptions. Most of these are available for little or nothing and the demand is not that great. With little demand a faker would not have a profitable run since the prices being asked for originals would mean he would have to sell thousands of fakes before he was able to make any profit.
Richard V