heeresbergführer abzeichen what do you think?

[Aleš hultschin]

Thanks. Badges have exertise. could someone really appreciate the badge? Thank you

[Stan]

Thomas Hoff might think its original but I don't.

Stan

[Aleš hultschin]

Thomas Hoff might think its original but I don't.

Stan

for what reason? what do you think is wrong? Thanks

[GHP]

for what reason? what do you think is wrong? Thanks

Not mine, but here's an original.

[Aleš hultschin]

Not mine, but here's an original.

besides the difference of flower attachment I find the same

[GHP]

besides the difference of flower attachment I find the same

Yours has metal lettering and it has been blackened. You can see the white enamel right up against the lettering; the lettering is raised metal similar to what is found in cloisonne work.

WWII badges had painted (silk-screen?) lettering that could scrape off.
Image from e-medals.


I have read that others posit your type is an early BW version.

[GHP]

Here's another example of the lettering from a WAF owner.


If you look closely at the two *originals" I posted, you'll note slight differences in the lettering, the tops of b, the "r" the space at the top of the "H".

[GHP]

Removed by me; redundant post.

[Mike TM]

The same offered now in eBay....

regards
Mike

[Aleš hultschin]

Here's another example of the lettering from a WAF owner.


If you look closely at the two *originals" I posted, you'll note slight differences in the lettering, the tops of b, the "r" the space at the top of the "H".

Thanks you werry much

[peterm]

The guys are absolutely right! The badge which started the thread is a fake for sure!

Best, Peter

[GHP]

The guys are absolutely right! The badge which started the thread is a fake for sure!

Best, Peter

Hello Peter,

I have read another WAF opinion stating that the badge shown here was early Bundeswehr. It has all the quality enamelling and well-defined edelweiß -- unlike the modern reproductions and fakes. The major difference is the raised metal lettering vice the hand-written lettering (see various differences in brushwork I highlighted above), and the method of securing the edelweiß using bent wire vice rivets.

Regarding the original poster's badge, it looks to me like someone used a chemical such as liver of sulphur to darken the raised metal lettering (was gold colored); note the darkened pits in the white enamel on the lower half of the badge.

I would like to have this badge in my collection -- as a possible early BW abzeichen -- due to its high-quality workmanship.


-- Guy

[peterm]

Hello Peter,

I have read another WAF opinion stating that the badge shown here was early Bundeswehr. It has all the quality enamelling and well-defined edelweiß -- unlike the modern reproductions and fakes. The major difference is the raised metal lettering vice the hand-written lettering (see various differences in brushwork I highlighted above), and the method of securing the edelweiß using bent wire vice rivets.

Regarding the original poster's badge, it looks to me like someone used a chemical such as liver of sulphur to darken the raised metal lettering (was gold colored); note the darkened pits in the white enamel on the lower half of the badge.

I would like to have this badge in my collection -- as a possible early BW abzeichen -- due to its high-quality workmanship.


-- Guy

Maybe You're right, I don't know. But it is for sure not a 3-R-produced badge.

Best wishes,

Peter

[Reinhard2]

Something to know: Thomas Hoff let fake many badges in Czechoslovakia in good quality, for example the SS shooting badges. That's why there are well made ones in aluminium on the market which are nevertheless too heavy.