Spoon Ribbentrop or Old Reichs chancellery

[glock26]

hi,

just picked up this teaspoon in 925 silver.

looking through some old threads it would appear to be attributed to either von Ribbentrop or the old Reichs chancellery.

is anyone familiar with this pattern?

cheers, del.

[Br. James]

Hi del,

In his massive 2013 reference work, "The Encyclopedia of Third Reich Tableware," author and researcher James A. Yannes shows an example on pgs 110-111 of a tablespoon of the same pattern you show us, also in .925 solid silver. Yannes attributes this pattern to Reich Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and describes it as "a special setting for the highest Foreign Ministry / Diplomatic dinners and functions," presumably as used at Ribbentrop's Berlin offices. The manufacturer of this fine tableware pattern was the Berlin silversmith firm of Gebrüder Sauerland -- the Sauerland Brothers.

Congrats on a fine addition to your collection.

Br. James

[Erich B.]

I've also seen this pattern described as being from the Old Chancellory as well. I don't have the Yannes book but I understand it lacks sources and/or documentation notes necessary to prove the identity of non-obvious patterns such as this one. Is that correct?
Erich

[Br. James]

"...I understand ["The Encyclopedia of Third Reich Tableware"] lacks sources and/or documentation notes necessary to prove the identity of non-obvious patterns such as this one. Is that correct?"

Yes, Erich, Jim Yannes' several books do not always include details of where he found a particular piece or why he states the origin of a certain piece as belonging to a specific table service or was owned by a particular individual. That is true with the spoon in discussion here.

Br. James

[Aleksei]

hi,

just picked up this teaspoon in 925 silver.

looking through some old threads it would appear to be attributed to either von Ribbentrop or the old Reichs chancellery.

is anyone familiar with this pattern?

cheers, del.

Good day!
The topic is very interesting!
I met for sale various cutlery of this design with samples of silver 925 and stamps from different manufacturers:
1) Körner & Proll Berlin (wheel with two wings); 2) manufacturer unknown to me (circle with a dot inside); 3) Bruckmann (is written "Bruckmann").
On the pens there were images of an eagle with a swastika, but there were objects of the same design with the eagle of the Weimar Republic.
Helmut Weitze refers them to cutlery from the Reich Chancellery. The buildings of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Reich Chancellery were located nearby and during their assault by the Soviet troops could be considered as one unit.
With respect,
Aleksei

[Aleksei]

Good day!
The topic is very interesting!
I met for sale various cutlery of this design with samples of silver 925 and stamps from different manufacturers:
1) Körner & Proll Berlin (wheel with two wings); 2) manufacturer unknown to me (circle with a dot inside); 3) Bruckmann (is written "Bruckmann").
On the pens there were images of an eagle with a swastika, but there were objects of the same design with the eagle of the Weimar Republic.
Helmut Weitze refers them to cutlery from the Reich Chancellery. The buildings of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Reich Chancellery were located nearby and during their assault by the Soviet troops could be considered as one unit.
With respect,
Aleksei

Cutlery of the same manufacturer but with the eagle of the Weimar Republic. Ribbentrop has nothing to do with them.
http://www.antik1941.ru/new_catalog/...&item_id=27987

[Berghof]

Your piece is known as Ribbentrops flatware. I have a piece that is slightly different where some refer to it as a Reich Chancellery piece. I tried to verify this through many sources but ultimately no one could confirm.

Regards,
Mike
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[Erich B.]

Assuming these are pre-45 produced, they seem more likely to be government related rather than to von Ribbentrop based on the eagle. If there is no evidence other than the general area where the silverware was found, it seems a stretch to attach it to any individual, at least IMO. Does anyone know where the von Ribbentrop connection originated?
Erich

[Berghof]

The collector community has recognized this pattern as Ribbentrops for quite some time. That said, I haven't come across any concrete evidence such as documentation.

In my experience, government flatware that I come across tends to be silver plated such as the asparagus server example I showed. Understanding the manufacturing process of these pieces, there's no question (for me) the asparagus server is pre 1945.

Personal pieces of flatware tend to be solid silver. The so called "Ribbentrop" silverware has a very high content of pure silver at 92.5%.

[transvision]

does anybody have any diplomatic pieces with the eagle above the globe?

[Br. James]

Again referring to Jim Yannes' "The Encyclopedia of Third Reich Tableware," he provides one example of the monogram you are referring to. On p.548-549 we find an example of the tableware from the German Embassy in Paris, which takes the form of the eagle w/downswept wings atop a wreathed swastika with a world globe behind the wreath. Below that is a half-wreath of oakleaves above the words: "Dt. Botschaft Paris," or German Embassy in Paris.

Hoping this is helpful,

Br. James

[marisca lrommel]

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The ones you show are from the Reich Chancellery like these others