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**Erich B.** · 10-26-2018, 03:55 AM

Yes--a friend of mine had the same type of ashtray about 10 years ago.
Erich

**planet** · 10-26-2018, 04:49 AM

Isn't it a little weird, that SA-members would be forced to put the cigarret ashes onto an SA group command flag? Have also seen Luftwaffe ashtrays with the LW-eagle on the bottom. Same question there.
Cannot say the ashtray is not original, but still this question remains. And IMO this makes the piece questionable. But maybe it's just me.
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**Br. James** · 10-26-2018, 08:31 AM

I see your point, Thomas, though perhaps we're looking at this from today's "post-smoking" point of view? Back in the day when smoking was permitted everywhere and it seemed like everyone did it...myself included...ashtrays were omnipresent and were used as marketing tools for almost everything, from hotels to hospitals to every kind of food product! While it may seem quite out of character today, when you stayed at a Hilton Hotel, all of the ashtrays carried the Hilton name or Hilton symbolism, and when you ate at a very fancy restaurant or drank at their bar, you constantly used the ashtrays which presented the name of that establishment. While today we may look at this as an example of disrespecting something -- to put your cigarette out against the name of an important and respected place or thing -- that simply didn't cross one's mind back in the day!

Cheers,

Br. James

**planet** · 10-26-2018, 09:40 AM

Thanks, You might well be right.

Remember an ashtray with Hitler picture - but I think that was something from the Allies in that case.
Best, Thomas

**Erich B.** · 10-26-2018, 03:45 PM

Metal ashtrays with relief portraits of von Bismarck, Wilhelm i, Wilhelm II, von Moltke, etc. were popular items in the Imperial period. Apparently there was no negative feeling generated by using their portraits in this manner.
Erich

**Stan** · 10-29-2018, 03:24 AM

Back in 1971 I visited German friends in a place called Bell in the Eifel area and I told them that I collected wartime souvenirs. They produced a metal ashtray with a swastika motif in the centre and told me that they found it hidden in an air vent in the house where they now live and that the previous owner had asked them if they had ever found it which they denied.

I always wish they had given it to me but they didn't.

I think that the ashtray on display in this thread is original.

Stan

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